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Old 07-24-2006, 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by birdie_man
I have an idea...

But what components would you associate with pure Swinging? (generally)
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Pure(True) Swinging... An INACTIVE RIGHT ARM; and excellent and consistent RHYTHM are present with this player.
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Old 07-02-2010, 01:15 AM
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When Miller was advocating ball position relative to left shoulder, Nicklaus's " Golf My Way" suggest ball position off left heel.
Ball Relative to shoulder makes much more sense to me seeing how the TSP and elbow plane is much more connected to zone 2 mechanics.
I think trying to strike the ball is easier once it's line up with upper body and arms.

I saw JB Holmes on playing lesson hit a 300 yard drive on his knees, that pretty well blew way my consideration of Nicklaus's suggestion.
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Old 07-02-2010, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by lagster View Post
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Pure(True) Swinging... An INACTIVE RIGHT ARM; and excellent and consistent RHYTHM are present with this player.
If you use the #2 Pressure Point for Lag Pressure to sense and guide the Left Arm Wedge, then ok.

But....

An inactive right triceps except for Extensor Action and the Power Package Thrusts the Right Forearm. The #3 Pressure Point utilizes the Right Forearm Flying Wedge to Sense and control acceleration. Better than using the #2 Pressure Point.

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I saw JB Holmes on playing lesson hit a 300 yard drive on his knees, that pretty well blew way my consideration of Nicklaus's suggestion.
Convinces me that the Pivot is not at the center of Power Generation.

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Old 07-02-2010, 12:52 PM
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So, does that leave you convinced that the power comes from #4 being blasted
off of the chest?
I always look forward to your comments and answers.
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Old 07-02-2010, 01:14 PM
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The power has to come from somewhere. Either left arm, right arm or the pivot. Centripetal force and throwout can only redistribute and conserve the power that has been produced by the above mentioned.

If JB Holms was sitting on his butt, or even better, temporarily paralysed in his core, we would see how much clubhead speed he could generate without using the pivot much.

But still, since you basically have to choose between swinging your arms around the pivot or swinging the arms with the pivot, a full stroke can still be 95% pivot powered even if you get 65% of the distance without using it.

The left arm is basically useless for power generation, and certainly not by TGM standards anyway. That leaves the right arm + pivot for hitters, and pivot only for swingers. The blasting off the chest is powered by the pivot.
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Old 07-02-2010, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Florida Lefty View Post
So, does that leave you convinced that the power comes from #4 being blasted
off of the chest?
I always look forward to your comments and answers.
Right Arm, Left Wrist, Right Hand and Left Arm. Those are Accumulators 1,2,3 and 4. Out of line conditions of the Power Package assembly. Every ball and stick Sport uses them. Moving from out-of-line to in-line releases the stored power. Consider a simple baseball throw. Doesn't the Catcher bend his arm and then straighten it to throw the ball back to the Pitcher? Bend and Straighten (out-of-line to in-line).

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7-12 PIVOT The Pivot is the utilization of multiple centers to produce a circular motion for generating Clubhead Force on an adjustable Plane. Plus the maintenance of balance throughout the weight shifts that accompany the turning and bending of the necessary for the two Line Delivery Paths. A Pivot is on superficially correct that fails to maintain alignments or allows the player to get “out of position”.

It is the massive vehicle which transports the Power Package Assembly to the launching pad and back-up support for the Hitters driving Right Arm (6-B-1). It is the massive rotor, supplying Angular Momentum for the Throw Out power transfer to the Swinger’s orbiting Left Arm (6-B-3).
In other words, Hitters use Right Triceps to move from the Bent conditions to Straight while the Swingers use CF.

Go to the Practice Range. Hit 50 balls with your 3 wood to the 100 yard green. At he end of 50 balls, what did you change most of all? The Power Package or the Pivot. Did you end up slowing a full swing or did you start using pitch shots with a standard Pivot? Which way is more successful for you?

I can't stress enough that the Left Arm does not Blast off the Chest when using the Elbow Plane. When using the Elbow Plane, the Left Arm is stuck to the Torso and is merely transportation for the Left Wrist. While the Left Arm moves strongly downward from the Top of the Stroke with the Elbow Plane, it cannot and does not produce the Awesome Power of Accumulator #4 to induce the Throwout of the Secondary Lever. Blast-off only occurs with Hands Controlled Pivot on the Turned Shoulder Plane.

If you're an Elbow Plane Swinger, you'll probably vary Pivot Speed. If you're a TSP Swinger, you'll vary the amount of out-of-line condition of the Power Package and Pressure Point Pressure and keep the Pivot under the control of the #3 Pressure Point.

Elbow Plane Swingers MUST use their Pivot to supply as much Power as Possible because they make a complete mess of the #4 Accumulator.
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Old 07-03-2010, 12:23 PM
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When do you want to blast the left arm off the chest? If you want to do it early go with TSP. If you want to do it later do a plane shift.

Daryl touches up on the difference between elbow plane and TSP, but misses the mark. The reason for using an elbow plane is more pivot control and more thrust through impact, better balance and more leverage into the follow thru. And of course more controlled usage of accumulator #4
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Old 07-03-2010, 07:00 PM
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please explain..
Why is #4 accumulator excluded by some planes? Why can't #4 be used and carried beyond impact for all planes? Where does homer say this?

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Old 07-03-2010, 11:40 PM
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TURNED SHOULDER PLANE:

The #4 Accumulator is Loaded as the Right Elbow Bends and the Left Arm is carried across the Chest. The load location is where the left arm pushes against the chest. On a Turned Shoulder Plane, the #3 PP, #2 PP and Right Shoulder are ON PLANE. As the Downstroke begins, the #3 PP, #2 PP and Right Shoulder remain ON PLANE. The Pressure (Force) from the #4 Pressure Point is ON PLANE. As the Shoulder Turn subsides, this Pressure Blasts the Left Arm away from the Chest and the #2 & 3 Pressure Points are Blasted toward the Aiming Point and CF begins to Pull on the Clubhead Sweet-spot (Throwout).

So, the Unloading Force of the #4 PP is ON PLANE with the Right Shoulder and #2 & 3 Pressure Points.

The #4 Accumulator Load, is fully spent when the Right Arm is fully Straight (both arms straight). How far past Impact the Follow Through ends is a matter of Shoulder orientation.

When on the ELBOW Plane, things are very different. Rather than the #2 & 3 Pressure Points and Right Shoulder moving On Plane, they drop vertically toward a point somewhere between the feet and the plane line. This is not On Plane. This vertical drop lowers the Hands to the Elbow Plane. The Left Arm does not move Away from the Chest.

For Elbow Plane Swingers, the #4 Pressure Point becomes disengaged during the initial Vertical Drop from the end of the Backstroke undoing its potential PRIOR TO RELEASE. While for TSP Swingers, the Left Arm Blasting Off of the Chest is the Beginning of Release and adds an almost unmeasurable amount of Power.

Hitting a 7 iron 190 yards is a pretty simple undertaking and a great test to evaluate the power and "How Well you use the #4 Pressure Point". The 7 iron is short enough to accelerate very fast and has enough loft to trim to a respectable 6 iron and COAM isn't a problem. The Driver , on the other hand, is very long and the COAM effect requires an enormous amount of muscle or Power Package support to overcome.

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The Clubhead “overtaking” speed is governed by the Law of Conservation of Angular Momentum whereby the increased Mass resulting from any extension of the Swing Radius decelerates the hands and unless they are supported by Power Package Thrust (6-B-1) or Throw Out Action (2-K), can result in great loss of Clubhead Speed.

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Old 07-05-2010, 07:51 AM
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Isn't the left arm always pointing below plane? How can I get the right forearm on plane at impact without it being an elbow plane at that time? What plane are we on at follow through? Is the "plane" we are on only defined where we start down from? Is it the one we shift to? Is it definable after release? If I shift planes am I just moving to a new "top" position? Like "Happy Gilmore"? When #4 has the left arm on the chest and I use axis tilt won't I launch my inert left arm into center field? Are there some alignments and transitions that go beyond definition? Is there always some wobble and throw away because we are dealing with wrists and elbows and shoulders that have limitations? And we have strict "rules" for their alignment at all times? Does 1-L have both a primary and secondary lever assembly? If the primary lever assembly is maintained on plane can the secondary lever asembly be applied? Can it also maintain the shaft on plane? Can the left shoulder ever be "on plane"? These thoughts can drive one crazy? Or do they have answers?

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