LynnBlakeGolf Forums - View Single Post - 4 Barrel Hitting Thread: 4 Barrel Hitting View Single Post #37 07-08-2009, 10:55 PM Daryl Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 3,521 Originally Posted by comdpa John sent me this e mail this morning.. "I think the thing that is confusing for many of the TGM guys is the position of the right elbow.. it's because of all the bag work that I have done training my hands to fire hard from pitch, so that I can fully embrace the hit impulse. By bending the right arm more "pitch" it increases the range of motion for my hands to travel, and because I have trained them to out race the clubhead.. I actively fire #2 and #3 in unison.. but because I do it from pitch, it looks confusing to TGM guys because they are used to seeing passive hand swingers from there.. This is the secret of the P3 4:30 line I teach, because this way, I still get the full range of motion of the 3rd accumulator, not the trapping "less rotation" action that is typically seen with hitters using punch. The bottom line is that to do what I do.. you really need to train the hands and forearms with a lot of bag work.. then it all makes sense.. including Hogan's three right hands. By doing it this way, we get the best of both worlds.. the steeper angle of attack of the swinger, so we can be great long iron players, but also the nudge toward holding shaft flex longer than a typical dead hand swinger.. all the while avoiding the arms flying off the body into the post impact parallel plane protocol that Homer talks about in chapter #2.. or what I call moving into an equal angular post impact spiral. The clubshaft stays on a true plane post impact, with an angled hinge, and actually attempts to limit right arm straightening as the upper right arm stays packed on the body. This is why I call this pivot driven hitting. 2-M-3, "Unless pivot thrust actually drives #4 through impact" well all I have to say about that is... there is no "UNLESS". My golf swing is all about pivot thrust through impact, not just guidance, support and delivery of the power package. Let's not forget Homer's words... "The pivot IS the master accumulator" let us not forget such a noble truth." Attachment 1871 You offered a Video of a 4 Barrel Hitter and asked what anyone thought. I claimed he isn't a 4 Barrel Hitter. I'm correct, but that's beside the point. Thank you for offering the video. If John wants to redefine a few terms and invent a couple of others, it's ok so long as we all understand the meaning of the Terms. John has found a Pattern that he thinks is very effective and holds up under pressure. He certainly has the credentials to know. He should want and embrace critical review and I'm sure that he does. It's unfortunate that he got me first because I'm about middle of the road on TGM knowledge/Application. More knowledgeable members of this Forum must be sleeping. But I might be a little more sensitive to these kinds issues because I believe that TGM is a System/Method. Everyone else and John consider TGM only a set of Concepts, Theories, and Components to manipulate into personal custom Patterns, whereas I actually believe in 12-2-0 (6th Edition) and that a Flat Left Wrist is a Flat-Left-Wrist. But lets be clear that John is teaching a Pattern and that he uses some freedom in redefining TGM terminology to put a name to it. 4 Barrel Hitting. Daryl View Public Profile Send a private message to Daryl Find all posts by Daryl