[O.B.Left]

You're right OB,

I manipulate. And the more I play the more I manipulate it seems. It's usually about hitting it low, trying to produce a shallow angle of attack and taking out the hook. I find those three demands hard to combine, but from time to time I am successful.

But there are times when I am looking for a high draw. And then I deliberately leave it to CF in good time before the ball.

At the risk of being off topic.

I think we all manipulate .......a lot. Even when we think we're not, its just a very familiar feeling that we've learned , ingrained. A feeling that has a little manipulation here and there that we dont recognize.

He BerntR: What are the implications of True Swinging to the Golfers Flail are we back to the farmers flail? What about the hands as educated clamps? Are they now uneducated leather strips or strings?

Does a true swinger shift planes? That'd be a manipulation wouldnt it? Non auto release? Snap or ? What about the right arm pickup? Can a True Swinger "manipulate" with his Pivot and ARms but not with his Hands?

I personally see Homer as sometimes categorized things logically as if by deduction. A range from one extreme to the other. Black to White. Full Sweep Release to Snap. Total Manipulation to Zero Manipulation although he didnt really do this one. Some times these designations at the extremes get kind of "ungolf" like, logical though they are. Like Snap Loading......dont think Ive seen that one on a golf course for Total Motion. These sorts of things used to bug me but they dont anymore, in fact Ive learned to love the logic of it all.

Perhaps with True Swinging we are approaching a logical but uncommon extreme at one end of a spectrum. Whereas most of us reside somewhere in the middle of the spectrum, again. As is common in most things.

Hogan approached the extremes of human potential in a couple of categories. So beautiful ......but beyond the capability of all but a few mechanically. So to your recent point about such matters.......we must know our own capabilities and strengths and weaknesses and aspire to make the best out of our best attributes. If not for the logic of this , Homer would have written another book describing how to swing like Hogan. Only. Its in there but there's much much more in there too. For all of us who reside in the middle.

It could be that there is no such thing as True Swinger by Homers definition of things......I dont know. We'll find out. Maybe you can approach it but not really get all the way there. Thats what Im currently thinking. Despite the fact True Swinging accounts for half the words in that particular paragraph from 7-2 GRIP TYPES. Yup Grip Types.......Grip Rotation is what were really talking about ......only Homer could do this to my head and in so few words.