Was Nicklaus off plane?

[gmbtempe]

Homer wrote "The right forearm of every hacker comes into impact too high - pointing beyond the delivery line during the Downstroke" (2-F)

Here is a picture of Nicklaus at the delivery position.

The right forearm points outside the ball, what am I missing? I ask because I use the TSP like Nicklaus and my arm is very similar at the same position. I asked someone else knowledgeable with teh golf swing and they stated that they teach all their students to have the right forearm on plane at the delivery position because you have to rely on wrist action into impact when it is not. I just am wondering if the book is correct and its a fault that I should attempt to fix.

[Daryl]

Homer wrote "The right forearm of every hacker comes into impact too high - pointing beyond the delivery line during the Downstroke" (2-F)

Here is a picture of Nicklaus at the delivery position.

The right forearm points outside the ball, what am I missing? I ask because I use the TSP like Nicklaus and my arm is very similar at the same position. I asked someone else knowledgeable with teh golf swing and they stated that they teach all their students to have the right forearm on plane at the delivery position because you have to rely on wrist action into impact when it is not. I just am wondering if the book is correct and its a fault that I should attempt to fix.

Here's the Iceman:



When HK said that the Right Forearm of every Hacker comes in too High, he's referring to the #3 PP not tracing the Delivery Line.

There are many Planes. Swing Plane, Shaft Plane, Left Arm Flying Wedge, Right Arm Flying Wedge, etc.

The only instance when the Right Forearm is on the actual Swing Plane at Release, is when the Swing Plane is the Elbow Plane and the Elbow and Hands are on the Plane.

In TGM, in all instances, when we say that the Right Forearm (right forearm flying wedge) is On Plane, we mean that it is at Right Angles to the Left Arm Wedge Plane. This includes the Elbow Plane.

6-B-3-0-1 THE FLYING WEDGES The Clubhead may appear to move in a an arc around and outside the Hands when related to the Left Arm – the very basic Left Arm Flying Wedge. But when related to the Right Forearm, it appears to move “On Plane” with the Right Forearm, at its normal rigid angle (Bent Right Wrist) – the Right Forearm Flying Wedge. So – except in Sections 1 and 3 (Chapter the entire Left Arm, the Clubshaft and the back of the Left Hand are ALWAYS positioned against the same flat plane – the Right Forearm and the Clubshaft are, in like manner, positioned on the plane of the Right Wrist Bend AT RIGHT ANGLES TO THE LEFT ARM PLANE. That is the precision assembly and alignment of the Power Package structure and is mandatory during the entire motion. Hitting or Swinging. Study 4-D-1 regarding “Grip” and “Flat Left Wrist”. Also see 7-3. Then, ideally, the Left Wrist is always Flat and the Right Wrist is always Level (4-A-1, 4-B-1).

6-B-3-0-1 THE FLYING WEDGES illustration is below on the Right. The Elbow Plane version is on the Left. Note that the Illustrations are at the Release.

[KevCarter]

Great description and wonderful visuals Daryl!

Should the text on the picture read Cocked Left Wrist and Level Left Wrist instead of bent and flat?

Thanks,
Kevin

[12 piece bucket]

Here's the Iceman:



When HK said that the Right Forearm of every Hacker comes in too High, he's referring to the #3 PP not tracing the Delivery Line.

There are many Planes. Swing Plane, Shaft Plane, Left Arm Flying Wedge, Right Arm Flying Wedge, etc.

The only instance when the Right Forearm is on the actual Swing Plane at Release, is when the Swing Plane is the Elbow Plane and the Elbow and Hands are on the Plane.

In TGM, in all instances, when we say that the Right Forearm (right forearm flying wedge) is On Plane, we mean that it is at Right Angles to the Left Arm Wedge Plane. This includes the Elbow Plane.





6-B-3-0-1 THE FLYING WEDGES illustration is below on the Right. The Elbow Plane version is on the Left. Note that the Illustrations are at the Release.

D . . . would your graphic be prescribing an UNCOCKED ZERO'D OUT #3 accumulator on the TSP???? Where's the #3 angle . . . you prescribing a chip shot?

[Daryl]

D . . . would your graphic be prescribing an UNCOCKED ZERO'D OUT #3 accumulator on the TSP???? Where's the #3 angle . . . you prescribing a chip shot?

The Illustrations show the Geometry at the Release Point. At Impact the Left Wrist is Level. I should have shortened the Clubs more in the illustration to be less confusing.

[innercityteacher]

Is the uncocking of the left wrist and the roll of the left wrist or sternum or shoulder or cinnamon?

Here's the Iceman:



When HK said that the Right Forearm of every Hacker comes in too High, he's referring to the #3 PP not tracing the Delivery Line.

There are many Planes. Swing Plane, Shaft Plane, Left Arm Flying Wedge, Right Arm Flying Wedge, etc.

The only instance when the Right Forearm is on the actual Swing Plane at Release, is when the Swing Plane is the Elbow Plane and the Elbow and Hands are on the Plane.

In TGM, in all instances, when we say that the Right Forearm (right forearm flying wedge) is On Plane, we mean that it is at Right Angles to the Left Arm Wedge Plane. This includes the Elbow Plane.





6-B-3-0-1 THE FLYING WEDGES illustration is below on the Right. The Elbow Plane version is on the Left. Note that the Illustrations are at the Release.

[gmbtempe]

Here's the Iceman:



When HK said that the Right Forearm of every Hacker comes in too High, he's referring to the #3 PP not tracing the Delivery Line.

There are many Planes. Swing Plane, Shaft Plane, Left Arm Flying Wedge, Right Arm Flying Wedge, etc.

The only instance when the Right Forearm is on the actual Swing Plane at Release, is when the Swing Plane is the Elbow Plane and the Elbow and Hands are on the Plane.

In TGM, in all instances, when we say that the Right Forearm (right forearm flying wedge) is On Plane, we mean that it is at Right Angles to the Left Arm Wedge Plane. This includes the Elbow Plane.





6-B-3-0-1 THE FLYING WEDGES illustration is below on the Right. The Elbow Plane version is on the Left. Note that the Illustrations are at the Release.

Daryl,

Here is a Mickelson photo, he uses the TSP, is he below plane looking at your pic and at pic 5 numbered? (photo courtesy of Jeff Mann).

[Daryl]

Daryl,
Here is a Mickelson photo, he uses the TSP, is he below plane looking at your pic and at pic 5 numbered?

It appears that he's on the TSP but has leveled out his down plane shoulder a bit early (maybe). Pics 4,5, and 6 show that the on plane shoulder has moved off plane after release.

He's obviously not on an Elbow Plane. I haven't ever looked at his swing before, but his leading arm is not dropping straight downward like it would with a Plane Shift to the Elbow Plane.

Thank you for posting this great sequence picture. He's a Hands Controlled Pivot TSP Swinger. I never knew that. His right elbow never stops moving down plane and his leading arm is blasting off the chest from frame 3 to frame 4.

[gmbtempe]

I agree, I think a lot of his blast off comes from swinging left handed yet being a right handed person. I know I played baseball that way and utilized the same way to generate power. The left hand was just there for the ride, no power. You can see Mickelsons left hand barely stays on the club.

Yet I cannot generate that same feeling playing golf right handed. I don't feel any real blast off.

[Daryl]

Yet I cannot generate that same feeling playing golf right handed. I don't feel any real blast off.

Practice with your leading arm only, without a Club, until you can generate the Power. The Blast off is very powerful. Impact occurs almost as soon as the Blast off occurs.