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Old 06-10-2010, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Daryl View Post
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When HK said that the Right Forearm of every Hacker comes in too High, he's referring to the #3 PP not tracing the Delivery Line.

There are many Planes. Swing Plane, Shaft Plane, Left Arm Flying Wedge, Right Arm Flying Wedge, etc.

The only instance when the Right Forearm is on the actual Swing Plane at Release, is when the Swing Plane is the Elbow Plane and the Elbow and Hands are on the Plane.

In TGM, in all instances, when we say that the Right Forearm (right forearm flying wedge) is On Plane, we mean that it is at Right Angles to the Left Arm Wedge Plane. This includes the Elbow Plane.





6-B-3-0-1 THE FLYING WEDGES
illustration is below on the Right. The Elbow Plane version is on the Left. Note that the Illustrations are at the Release.

Daryl,

Here is a Mickelson photo, he uses the TSP, is he below plane looking at your pic and at pic 5 numbered? (photo courtesy of Jeff Mann).

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Old 06-10-2010, 01:44 PM
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Daryl,
Here is a Mickelson photo, he uses the TSP, is he below plane looking at your pic and at pic 5 numbered?
It appears that he's on the TSP but has leveled out his down plane shoulder a bit early (maybe). Pics 4,5, and 6 show that the on plane shoulder has moved off plane after release.

He's obviously not on an Elbow Plane. I haven't ever looked at his swing before, but his leading arm is not dropping straight downward like it would with a Plane Shift to the Elbow Plane.

Thank you for posting this great sequence picture. He's a Hands Controlled Pivot TSP Swinger. I never knew that. His right elbow never stops moving down plane and his leading arm is blasting off the chest from frame 3 to frame 4.

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Old 06-10-2010, 04:51 PM
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I agree, I think a lot of his blast off comes from swinging left handed yet being a right handed person. I know I played baseball that way and utilized the same way to generate power. The left hand was just there for the ride, no power. You can see Mickelsons left hand barely stays on the club.

Yet I cannot generate that same feeling playing golf right handed. I don't feel any real blast off.
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Old 06-10-2010, 08:58 PM
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Yet I cannot generate that same feeling playing golf right handed. I don't feel any real blast off.
Practice with your leading arm only, without a Club, until you can generate the Power. The Blast off is very powerful. Impact occurs almost as soon as the Blast off occurs.
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Old 06-10-2010, 10:19 PM
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Daryl,

Here is a Mickelson photo, he uses the TSP, is he below plane looking at your pic and at pic 5 numbered? (photo courtesy of Jeff Mann).

You got a pic between 4 and 5?
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Old 06-11-2010, 02:03 AM
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I dont have that swing itself, I had this one from Riviera a couple years ago, its probably the best swing I have seen him make so it probably wont help in you, as you can see he is dead nuts on plane (club is tough to see).
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I dont have that swing itself, I had this one from Riviera a couple years ago, its probably the best swing I have seen him make so it probably wont help in you, as you can see he is dead nuts on plane (club is tough to see).

Would you say dead nuts on plane on the elbow plane?
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Not to my understanding, the hands from the top move right along, I mean never leaving, the line I drew for the TSP, the right forearm when he gets to the delivery position gets very close to the elbow plane (between the TSP and Elbow Plane) but the hands and clubhead are on the TSP.
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Originally Posted by gmbtempe View Post
Not to my understanding, the hands from the top move right along, I mean never leaving, the line I drew for the TSP, the right forearm when he gets to the delivery position gets very close to the elbow plane (between the TSP and Elbow Plane) but the hands and clubhead are on the TSP.
This is what you're gonna find with MANY MANY pros . . . . they find a way to get the CLUBHEAD on the Elbow Plane . . . hands may not be there but the clubhead is . . . . he gets that clubhead out there . . . wipe city.
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This is what you're gonna find with MANY MANY pros . . . . they find a way to get the CLUBHEAD on the Elbow Plane . . . hands may not be there but the clubhead is . . . . he gets that clubhead out there . . . wipe city.
so your saying his move is a "wipe" move, I am confused on your statement.

or is he making the right move by having the clubhead on the elbow plane.

I just checked and I do the same thing.
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