Was Nicklaus off plane?

[gmbtempe]

Not to my understanding, the hands from the top move right along, I mean never leaving, the line I drew for the TSP, the right forearm when he gets to the delivery position gets very close to the elbow plane (between the TSP and Elbow Plane) but the hands and clubhead are on the TSP.

[12 piece bucket]

Not to my understanding, the hands from the top move right along, I mean never leaving, the line I drew for the TSP, the right forearm when he gets to the delivery position gets very close to the elbow plane (between the TSP and Elbow Plane) but the hands and clubhead are on the TSP.

This is what you're gonna find with MANY MANY pros . . . . they find a way to get the CLUBHEAD on the Elbow Plane . . . hands may not be there but the clubhead is . . . . he gets that clubhead out there . . . wipe city.

[gmbtempe]

This is what you're gonna find with MANY MANY pros . . . . they find a way to get the CLUBHEAD on the Elbow Plane . . . hands may not be there but the clubhead is . . . . he gets that clubhead out there . . . wipe city.

so your saying his move is a "wipe" move, I am confused on your statement.

or is he making the right move by having the clubhead on the elbow plane.

I just checked and I do the same thing.

[12 piece bucket]

so your saying his move is a "wipe" move, I am confused on your statement.

or is he making the right move by having the clubhead on the elbow plane.

I just checked and I do the same thing.

No . . . no wipe move . . .would be if the clubhead actually got lined up out there with the hands.

[IH82BOGEY]

Studying Brian Gay's swing. With shorter clubs, I see his hands (pp#3) go exactly down the turned shoulder plane. The club head is underneath making a sort of eliptical crescent shaped path. With longer clubs, his hands seem slightly underneath the TSP but the club head makes the same eliptical path. Is this the result of lag pressure and pivot??? Thanks.

[O.B.Left]

I just checked and I do the same thing.

gmbtempe..........your lines may by exaggerating this look a tad. What would it look like if you drew a line between your #3pp and the sweespot on the clubface, the sweetspot plane and then drew the TSP from ball to #3pp and then up to where ever.

Remember the shaft is only a rough proxy for plane compliance. It rotates around the sweetspot not vice versa. Its the #3pp and it's sense for the Lag of the Sweetspot Plane, the longitudinal center of gravity and the Delivery Line that really matter.

That feeling in your Hands, #3pp is the Sweetspot! Golf's secret.

[O.B.Left]

No . . . no wipe move . . .would be if the clubhead actually got lined up out there with the hands.

Please explain this Buck. You saying that the TSP is a wipe inducer? Or are you describing an off plane move there?

You can have "inside out" impact on any of the "useful" planes cant you? The amount of "inside out" decreases as the plane angle steepens............but the Down increases......... I dunno.

[Daryl]

You can have "inside out" impact on any of the "useful" planes cant you? The amount of "inside out" decreases as the plane angle steepens............but the Down increases.

That is so true, and the down is accentuated.

[12 piece bucket]

Please explain this Buck. You saying that the TSP is a wipe inducer? Or are you describing an off plane move there?

You can have "inside out" impact on any of the "useful" planes cant you? The amount of "inside out" decreases as the plane angle steepens............but the Down increases......... I dunno.

I'm just saying you're gonna have a hard time finding many people who are any good that have their hands AND the club on the TSP . . . . the clubhead anyway wants to get on some approximation of the elbow plane . . . you'll see pros with their hands out their on the TSP but generally the club is inside the hands more towards the elbow plane.

This may be tsp all the way . . .

[O.B.Left]

I see what your talking about, I think. But, is that a brief moment of non planar motion or a brief moment where its difficult to see the plane?

I can imagine Freddy as still having his club on an Inclined Plane there. Hard to say for sure. With Cink, the plane is more evident just before or after that point in the swing. So, wouldnt it be logical for it be on plane there too? I dunno.


Maybe Daryl can test this out on his glass plane board. Is Freddy's club on plane? You'd have to figure out where his plane line is first........Does he normally set up with his feets open?




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