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Old 10-12-2005, 12:38 PM
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In an ideal world, I would agree. But here's the problem - how many can people can "passively aim" the hands? Not many I think. For most all, in order to teach them to move the hands SOLELY with the pivot, you must get their minds OUT of their hands and onto the pivot itself. Tell them to aim PP #3 at an aiming point and they will thrust it there with their hands. So... the choices are clear - make them Hitters or be prepared for "incubation periods" of years, during which they are switters.

I will now hunker down like a jackrabbit in a hailstorm!
Un-hunker, MJ. You may be surprised to learn that, for the most part, I agree! In fact, my lessons always start with the Power Package Structure -- the Flying Wedges -- and then proceed directly to the Pivot. Zone #1 -- the Body Pivot -- must be brought under control before the Hands have any hope to perform their assignments unhindered.

A point of exception would be your basic premise, namely that the Hands must always be moved "solely with the Pivot." Remember, Pivot Strokes are optional, and in these instances, the Arms supply the necessary transportation for the Power Package.
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Old 10-12-2005, 02:16 PM
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Old 10-12-2005, 03:21 PM
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A point of exception would be your basic premise, namely that the Hands must always be moved "solely with the Pivot." Remember, Pivot Strokes are optional, and in these instances, the Arms supply the necessary transportation for the Power Package.
I feel like I walked through a rainstorm without getting wet.

Here's where it gets interesting(for me anyway). By hands solely moved by the pivot, I meant specifically from release to finish. Does everyone agree that "hands moving hands" downplane should not happen from release point to finish in a Swinging procedure? In Ben's words you'd be "adding".
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Old 10-12-2005, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe
I feel like I walked through a rainstorm without getting wet.

Here's where it gets interesting(for me anyway). By hands solely moved by the pivot, I meant specifically from release to finish. Does everyone agree that "hands moving hands" downplane should not happen from release point to finish in a Swinging procedure? In Ben's words you'd be "adding".
Agreed. In fact "hands moving hands" shouldn't happen from The Top, not just from Release Point. And even for Hitting, the Hands don't move the Hands, it's the Right Triceps.

The Hands are always aiming.
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Old 10-12-2005, 03:33 PM
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Agreed. In fact "hands moving hands" shouldn't happen from The Top, not just from Release Point. And even for Hitting, the Hands don't move the Hands, it's the Right Triceps.

The Hands are always aiming.
What about shifting to a shallower plane - say from TSP to elbow plane - is it OK to push the hands downward before spinning the flywheel?
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Old 10-12-2005, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe
What about shifting to a shallower plane - say from TSP to elbow plane - is it OK to push the hands downward before spinning the flywheel?
Elbow plane is almost always subconsiously employed. So if you were using Elbow Plane, you're not thinking about getting your hands there.

If you're using the Turned Shoulder Plane, I see no reason why you want to shift onto the Elbow Plane -- either doing it with the hands or elbow or whatever.

Bottom line: if you're already using the Elbow Plane, then fine. But if you're not (lets say you're using TSP), then there is no point in consiously trying to do anything to get onto the Elbow Plane. Which renders your question irrelevant!
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Old 10-12-2005, 05:21 PM
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A point of exception would be your basic premise, namely that the Hands must always be moved "solely with the Pivot." Remember, Pivot Strokes are optional, and in these instances, the Arms supply the necessary transportation for the Power Package.
Let me back up here and start over. Under what conditions would it be valid to add arm/hand effort to flywheel power in a Swinging stroke? Aren't all strokes pivot strokes for a Swinger?
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