If you and Philly make the trip and More Caddyshack quotes
Now Dave...you know I am there!!!!!!! You and Eddie are my boys!
Originally Posted by 6bmike
Mickey Rivers, damn...Philly and I will start painting the "Magic Forearm Bus" and hit the road with U2 and Elvis Costello CDs playing loud. I'll play Cheech and Philly will be Chong.
Still need to call Pat- where is the guy?
Watching the detectives, thats where!!!!
We're there!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
OK here's why I VJ is XXX-Rated in my opinion: The red arrow is for frames #5 and #7 ONLY to indicate clubhead location ...Not anything else..so don't read too far into it...Now the delivery path of the hands is on-plane but the clubhead/sweetspot is below plane in fram#5....the Hands are on the plane in frame #7 the below and left of the hand path on frame #7.....there for so the plane line be kept straight both the #3 Pressure point and the sweetspot plane need to be tracing the same line..not 2 different lines...Thus a Bent plane line...is XXX-Rated!!!
BTW ...Notice the Hinge Action of the clubface....Frames #2,#5,
See some differences or incompatiblity???? I Do!!!
A litte...but due to body motion more then anything.
Originally Posted by jim_0068
What do you think would be more time consuming? Perfecting his "off swing" to stay #2 in the world, or changing the problems with his swing?
Great point Jim!!!!
Dave...rather then pick apart why Vijay isnt perfect. Why dont we take a look at why it works?
Possibly the best ballstriker on tour, minus some of the shorter hitters.
Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
OK here's why I VJ is XXX-Rated in my opinion: The red arrow is for frames #5 and #7 ONLY to indicate clubhead location ...Not anything else..so don't read too far into it...Now the delivery path of the hands is on-plane but the clubhead/sweetspot is below plane in fram#5....the Hands are on the plane in frame #7 the below and left of the hand path on frame #7.....there for so the plane line be kept straight both the #3 Pressure point and the sweetspot plane need to be tracing the same line..not 2 different lines...Thus a Bent plane line...is XXX-Rated!!!
BTW ...Notice the Hinge Action of the clubface....Frames #2,#5,
See some differences or incompatiblity???? I Do!!!
What about frame 6? A little steep in the forearm?
I am trying to follow...but dont see him that offplane....helP!
Outstanding Post....Leave the swing alone..stay #2 in the world...beat more balls...
Why does it work...He's got a lot of talent..and knows how to be fairly repetitive and like all tour players has a COMPLETE Package...Putting,chipping , Pitching, Bunker Play, Irons, Driving,Power, finesse, guts,determination, fire,confidence,belief,will,heart,focus,patience,c oordination,flexibility,strength,endurance,spEED, MONEY, SUPPORT, FAMILY,ECONMIC STABLILITY,Ability to stay in the present
Philly see you soon...
I wasn't meaning to pick it apart after all the thread is VJ infamous wrong move...just supplying some support evidence as to why Frame #7 happens...
Great to know you're stil out there lurking
Last edited by annikan skywalker : 10-31-2005 at 09:18 AM.
I could sak a 1,000 questions because this is real interesting, but let's start with the firt part of the swing after set-up.
So in those pics VJ isn't tracing the plane on the take-away? I can't tell with my eye, so what do you see that tells you this?
Isn't he on the elbow plane halfway back and shoulder plane up top?
VJ's Takeaway is on-plane during the takeaway..see how the sweetspot is tracing up the plane angle as well as his hand path...BUT ....it is Single Wrist Action using Angled Hinging going back...Is the club on-plane in the follow-through and is it Angled Hinging in the Follow-Through? NO!!!
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Notice the Plane of the right forearm at frame #5...Notice how it has shifted to another plane in frame #7...this is what a cross-line shift looks like...
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Now look at Mac frame#5,#6,#7...see the right forearm is still tracing/paddlewheeling on the same plane!!!
Last edited by annikan skywalker : 10-31-2005 at 11:19 AM.
gotcha...sorry to ask so many questions, but this is clearing up tons of fog.
So is VJ doing something worng on the downswing to put him in that position? Also, I seem to get "stuck" like that. How do you go about getting someone from a good position at top to getting to like Mac in frame 5?
VJ's Takeaway is on-plane during the takeaway..see how the sweetspot is tracing up the plane angle as well as his hand path...BUT ....it is Single Wrist Action using Angled Hinging going back...Is the club on-plane in the follow-through and is it Angled Hinging in the Follow-Through? NO!!!
Notice the Plane of the right forearm at frame #5...Notice how it has shifted to another plane in frame #7...this is what a cross-line shift looks like...
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Now look at Mac frame#5,#6,#7...see the right forearm is still tracing/paddlewheeling on the same plane!!![/quote]
this is a question for yoda can you use angled or any hinging for that matter on the backswing. i thought hinging action was determined from inpact to follow through
This is a question for Yoda: Can you use angled or any hinging for that matter on the backswing? I thought hinging action was determined from impact to follow through.
The Left Wrist Action (Component #18 ) is Clubhead Control and is in operation from Start Up to Impact. It has two Planes of Motion: Rotational (Turning and Rolling) and Perpendicular (Cocking and Uncocking). The Standard Action (10-18-A) is a Swivel Action -- Hand Motion independent of Arm Motion. A Left Wrist that is Turned and Cocked on the Backstroke must subsequently be Uncocked and Rolled on the Downstroke.
Hinge Action (Component #10) is Clubface Control and is in operation from Impact to the end of the Follow-Through (the Both Arms Straight position). Hinge Action has only one Plane of Motion: the Vertical 'center position' of Rotational Motion. This Vertical Condition of the Rotational Motion is executed by the Flat Left Wrist remaining Vertical (perpendicular) to one of the three Basic Planes (Horizontal, Angled or Vertical).
At any time, the player may substitute Hinge Action for Left Wrist Action during the entire Stroke (7-10). Here, instead of true Hand Rotation -- independent Turning and Rolling -- the Left Wrist remains Vertical to one of the three Planes. Though the Left Wrist may appear to Turn on the Backstroke and Roll on the Downstroke (especially with Horizontal and Vertical Hinging), it is simply remaining vertical to the selected Plane of the Clubface Motion through Impact. Hence, there is no true Rotation of the Wrist. Nevertheless, from Top to Finish, the Stroke may take on the Feel of one long, slow 'Swivel' (2-G).
However...
When utilizing the Hinge Action alternative during the entire Stroke, the player should be aware that at some point, the Shoulder and Arm Motions gradually bring the selected Hinge Action Variation into an On Plane condition at the Top. This 'palms parallel to the Plane' alignment is identical to the Standard Wrist Action with its independent Turn and Roll.
Thus, other than the true Single Wrist Action of 10-18-C-#3 (wherein the Left Wrist does remain truly Vertical throughout the Stroke), the Wrist in the Backstroke gradually Turns (but is not Turned!) and in the Downstroke gradually Rolls (but is not Rolled!). Any forced attempt to maintain the Left Wrist Vertical is unnatural and will produce both an Off Plane Clubshaft and a most un-Golf-like Stroke, conditions intolerable to the the thinking player.
"Why does it work...He's got a lot of talent..and knows how to be fairly repetitive and like all tour players has a COMPLETE Package...Putting,chipping , Pitching, Bunker Play, Irons, Driving,Power, finesse, guts,determination, fire,confidence,belief,will,heart,focus,patience,c oordination,flexibility,strength,endurance,spEED, MONEY, SUPPORT, FAMILY,ECONMIC STABLILITY,Ability to stay in the present "
I hope that list is still growing I'll be back up to add to it in December.
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