Thanks for the reply Ted!
Please realise I'm not picking on your stroke, just want to learn more about real life Hitting
Per above, you talked about "adding some pivot". Now, I realise the Pivot is not an Accumulator, but do you think by having a larger turn you can gernerate more Power (Lag Pressure)? Or are there other reasons for adding some more pivot? I ask because the TGM me thinks that the Pivot is for maintaining Balance, Stationary Pivot Center, Axis Tilt, so Hands can take a Straight Path to the Ball. Also Launching Pad for Hitter.
Thanks!
Edit: I'm referring to 12-5-3 here, in case you were wondering...
I would like to piggy back on this question too . . .
Do you think a Swinger has MORE Pivot Lag than a Hitter? Or is it the same?
Thanks for the reply Ted!
Please realise I'm not picking on your stroke, just want to learn more about real life Hitting
Per above, you talked about "adding some pivot". Now, I realise the Pivot is not an Accumulator, but do you think by having a larger turn you can gernerate more Power (Lag Pressure)? Or are there other reasons for adding some more pivot? I ask because the TGM me thinks that the Pivot is for maintaining Balance, Stationary Pivot Center, Axis Tilt, so Hands can take a Straight Path to the Ball. Also Launching Pad for Hitter.
Thanks!
Edit: I'm referring to 12-5-3 here, in case you were wondering...
Trust me, I understand that you're not picking. I appreciated the compliment. The reason I think you've become so knowledgeable are the great questions that you ask.
My pivot is really all about my hands, per 9-1 (Emphatically). My pivot accommodates and allows my hands to do their respective jobs. The pivot simply allows my hands to take a longer straight line delivery path to the ball, so I have a longer road on which to accelerate, per 2-M-2 #3 (affecting speed). When the road is longer though, the hitter has to be very careful about over-acceleration, per 2-M-2 #1 (affecting mass).
I hope this is helpful.
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Trust me, I understand that you're not picking. I appreciated the compliment. The reason I think you've become so knowledgeable are the great questions that you ask.
My pivot is really all about my hands, per 9-1 (Emphatically). My pivot accommodates and allows my hands to do their respective jobs. The pivot simply allows my hands to take a longer straight line delivery path to the ball, so I have a longer road on which to accelerate, per 2-M-2 #3 (affecting speed). When the road is longer though, the hitter has to be very careful about over-acceleration, per 2-M-2 #1 (affecting mass).
I hope this is helpful.
Yes, this is helpful . To be honest, I had something in mind already before I asked the questions. I think there's a general misconception that going beyond the Top (even for the Hitter) will not produce extra Power.
It is true that the average amateur will improve their game tremendously by using a shorter stroke. There are many reasons, and one of them is because hackers have a tendency to reach maximum hand speed well before Release. The shorter the stroke, the less room there is for the golfer to overaccelerate.
However, the better player who has learned the Clubhead Lag Pressure Point technique, has great Rhythm, etc... can benefit from increased Power of the longer Stroke (2-M-2-4). An example of a long Hitter going beyond the Top is Kenny Perry (and Ted of course). There's also a counter-intuitive or psychological reason. When one stops at the Top, the player may feel that he has to put more effort into their swing in order to get the ball go a reasonable distance. Although this can create a very positive Lag Pressure sensation, other areas may suffer.
Bottom line: the general advice given around here on using a short stroke (stoping at the Top) still holds. It will help a lot more golfers than it hurts. But also keep the above in mind!
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With regard to your question, WHAT IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE IS THE LOADING OF THE SHAFT. If you go much past top you start loading the knuckle on the top of the shaft instead of the pad of the finger on the back of the shaft. I'm loading my right elbow TO DRIVE THE CLUB THROUGH IMPACT and Yoda's loading his left wrist TO DRAG THE CLUB THROUGH IMPACT. It's really all about the loading, not the prescribed assembly point. Top and end are good visual checks for the instructor, though.
I hope I don't get under anyones skin bumping a post from 3.5 years ago but I am doing a bunch of back research on posts concerning hitting and came across this! It makes so much sense its silly, and this is supposed to be overly complex stuff that the average joe will never comprehend?
I hope I don't get under anyones skin bumping a post from 3.5 years ago but I am doing a bunch of back research on posts concerning hitting and came across this! It makes so much sense its silly, and this is supposed to be overly complex stuff that the average joe will never comprehend?
Thank you for bumping this gmbtempe.
In my humble opinion, TGM is growing by leaps and bounds thanks to the internet making it easier to learn through this forum. There are MANY newbies like me who need to see and learn from these classic posts. The information posted 3.5 years ago is every bit as relevant today.
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I hope I don't get under anyones skin bumping a post from 3.5 years ago but I am doing a bunch of back research on posts concerning hitting and came across this! It makes so much sense its silly, and this is supposed to be overly complex stuff that the average joe will never comprehend?
You're not the only one. When I started re-reading TGM (the first time I read it was about 12 years ago and I only understood about 4 pages of it) and I then asked around for some help and finally started to understand most of it, I had a bunch of those 'head slapping' moments/it makes so much sense it's silly moments.
I think I took basic Geometry about 15 years ago. I've never taken a physics course. And I went to a school that I loved going to (Coastal Carolina University), but won't be confused for MIT anytime soon. Yet, even I managed to comprehend TGM.
People interested in TGM just need to stop listening to those who never really investigated TGM who bad mouth it or claim that you need to be Albert Einstein to understand the yellow book.
You're not the only one. When I started re-reading TGM (the first time I read it was about 12 years ago and I only understood about 4 pages of it) and I then asked around for some help and finally started to understand most of it, I had a bunch of those 'head slapping' moments/it makes so much sense it's silly moments.
I think I took basic Geometry about 15 years ago. I've never taken a physics course. And I went to a school that I loved going to (Coastal Carolina University), but won't be confused for MIT anytime soon. Yet, even I managed to comprehend TGM.
People interested in TGM just need to stop listening to those who never really investigated TGM who bad mouth it or claim that you need to be Albert Einstein to understand the yellow book.
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