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Old 01-14-2006, 01:36 PM
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Pressure Point #2 With Zero #3 Accumulator
Originally Posted by tongzilla

Also, you said earlier that Accumulators #2 and #3 should be zeroed out when using 12-5-1. Which means the club should be gripped in the cup of the left hand (rather than in the heel pad as usual). With that in mind, Pressure Point #2 (last three fingers of the left hand) isn't even on the club! So how can PP#2 be used even for the Swinger?
Pressure Point #2 secures the Left Hand Grip to the Club. When the Club is placed in the cup of the Hand (to zero Accumulator #3), the securing Pressure is against the tips of the fingers and On Plane.
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Old 01-14-2006, 02:15 PM
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Thanks for your clarification Yoda "...tips of the fingers..." I mean who would've guessed that!

Moving on...

What the heck is Foot Loading (number 5 in the list) doing in 12-5-1? Surely that violates the "zero Pivot" (just enough to accomodate motion of the Hands) condition, no?

Another note: I think there's an error regarding the Reference number for 'Pace' (component number 19). 2-G talks about Hinge Motion which has everything to do with Rhythm, not Pace. Shouldn't that be replaced with the reference 6-P-0 instead?
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Old 01-14-2006, 03:44 PM
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Foot Loading is halting the backstoke from the feet...I've heard it called "Flat Loading " your feet from a certain "AI"....so with zero pivot load your feet..."FLAT" put a downward pressure "Down" to keep the feet "Flat"....
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Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
Foot Loading is halting the backstoke from the feet...I've heard it called "Flat Loading " your feet from a certain "AI"....so with zero pivot load your feet..."FLAT" put a downward pressure "Down" to keep the feet "Flat"....
So basically this is utilizing a 'full radius' with a short stroke? (the extension of the radius to the feet)
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Old 01-15-2006, 02:03 PM
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Foot Loading At Address
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What the heck is Foot Loading (number 5 in the list) doing in 12-5-1? Surely that violates the "zero Pivot" (just enough to accomodate motion of the Hands) condition, no?
The reference here is to the basic Address Position loading of the Feet. Per 7-17:

"...an even distribution between both Feet but with enough on the heels to allow the toes to be lifted up momentarily without altering the distribution between the toe and heel."

This loading is in stark contrast to the Foot loading recommended by the Golf Digest folk back in the '70s and '80s: Enough weight on the balls of the Feet to allow you to tap your heels!
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One Error And More
Originally Posted by tongzilla

...I think there's an error regarding the Reference number for 'Pace' (component number 19). 2-G talks about Hinge Motion which has everything to do with Rhythm, not Pace. Shouldn't that be replaced with the reference 6-P-0 instead?
I have long agreed that Pace should reference 6-P-0. Also, in 12-5-3, Item #12 (Impact Fix) should read 7-8, not 7-3. And Item #10 in 12-5-2 should probably be Lag Loading, not Loading Action (else the Reference # should be changed to 10-22-B).
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I have long agreed that Pace should reference 6-P-0. Also, in 12-5-3, Item #12 (Impact Fix) should read 7-8, not 7-3. And Item #10 in 12-5-2 should probably be Lag Loading, not Loading Action (else the Reference # should be changed).
Thanks for the confirmation!

Moving on...

Does 12-5-2/3 include all the components before it (e.g. components in 12-5-3 includes all those in 12-5-2 and 12-5-1)?



The 1-L reference for 12-5-1 #15 (Pressure Point #3) is 1-L-7 and 1-L-12.

1-L-7: The Lever Assembly is driven by exerting pressure against it.
So for obvious reasons, I'm thinking this reference is for Hitters only. Hmmm...

1-L-12: Ball Speed is dependent on both before Impact and after Impact Clubhead Speed.
I'm thinking...PP#3 is usually assigned for sensing Clubhead Lag. And the prestressed shaft that comes with Clubhead Lag helps resist Impact Deceleration. Hmmm...
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A 12-5-1 Potpourri
Originally Posted by tongzilla

Does 12-5-2/3 include all the components before it (e.g. components in 12-5-3 includes all those in 12-5-2 and 12-5-1)?

The 1-L reference for 12-5-1 #15 (Pressure Point #3) is 1-L-7 and 1-L-12.

1-L-7: The Lever Assembly is driven by exerting pressure against it.
So for obvious reasons, I'm thinking this reference is for Hitters only. Hmmm...

1-L-12: Ball Speed is dependent on both before Impact and after Impact Clubhead Speed.
I'm thinking...PP#3 is usually assigned for sensing Clubhead Lag. And the prestressed shaft that comes with Clubhead Lag helps resist Impact Deceleration. Hmmm...
1. The Components added are cumulative.

2. The reference 1-L-7/12 includes all Items in the series, i.e., numbers 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 and 12.

3. The Right Forearm is the driving force in 1-L-7 and 1-L-10, whether that drive is Centrifugal or Muscular. This is the 'thrown or driven' Right Forearm of the Major Basic Stroke (7-3).

4. For Hitters, Pressure Point #3 is Active as both the Direct drive of the #2 Power Accumulator (the Left Wristcock) and the Indirect drive of the Clubhead Lag. It is both Aiming and Thrust. For Swingers, because Centrifugal Force (not Muscle Power) drives both the Club and the Clubhead Lag, it is Aiming only. And Pre-Stress is the domain of the Hitter, not the Swinger.
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