Greta post Brian. You always have to go back to those 3 things....esp. when it's not going well.
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amaverick....stick with it man....I've been there (and even with TGM too)....but I've more-or-less gotten through it. Took a year or so.....and that was w/o an instructor. I'm pretty much good to go now.....(for now)......there's always work to do and stuff to learn but I could stop reading stuff now and I will never again be so confused about the golf stroke as I was before.
That doesn't mean you don't have bad days.....you're just able to figure it out much faster (and without the wheels completely falling off...i.e. I don't imagine I'll just start hitting random shanks any time soon or anything like that.....no "I've totally lost it and have no idea what went wrong".....the old confused, want to quit golf and kill myself right now feeling...lol).
Keep learning (few new things per day).....then it'll make it's way into your swing.....you'll put all the pieces together one at a time, put a swing together slowly.....after a while you'll be fine.
"At the very worst it's a guided struggle versus a blind struggle." -HK
And always keep 3 Imparatives in mind.
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Thanks for the responses... if there was a World Championship for practising mistakes ... don't even bother turning up ... I am THE MAN ... I will spend hundreds of hours perfecting a way to hit the ball incorrectly ... and then find an even worse way and start again ... I can shoot to my handicap - would be disappointed to be over 90 - usually mid 80s - but I am playing with guys that NEVER practise ... and I am not getting any better than them ... despite all my practise I am not improving ...
... in an average round, I may use 20 or maybe 25 different swings - outside / inside / grip change / twist / turn / pivot / weight transfer / shoulder turn / head still / right side / left side / hands / knuckles / knees / hips / feet / pray ...
... my swing can defy every known law of physics / geometry / science / gravity / medicine / mathematics and bullshit ...
... I can get myself into contortions that Houdini, at his peak, would not have a chance of escaping from ...
...the only reason that I ever bring in a score is that I am a good scrambler ... refuse to give in ... always battling / grinding / suffering incredible turmoil - pain - anguish - frustration ... surely it does not have to be this way ...
Thanks for the responses... if there was a World Championship for practising mistakes ... don't even bother turning up ... I am THE MAN ... I will spend hundreds of hours perfecting a way to hit the ball incorrectly ... and then find an even worse way and start again ... I can shoot to my handicap - would be disappointed to be over 90 - usually mid 80s - but I am playing with guys that NEVER practise ... and I am not getting any better than them ... despite all my practise I am not improving ...
... in an average round, I may use 20 or maybe 25 different swings - outside / inside / grip change / twist / turn / pivot / weight transfer / shoulder turn / head still / right side / left side / hands / knuckles / knees / hips / feet / pray ...
... my swing can defy every known law of physics / geometry / science / gravity / medicine / mathematics and bullshit ...
... I can get myself into contortions that Houdini, at his peak, would not have a chance of escaping from ...
...the only reason that I ever bring in a score is that I am a good scrambler ... refuse to give in ... always battling / grinding / suffering incredible turmoil - pain - anguish - frustration ... surely it does not have to be this way ...
... sadly ... I still love it ...
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Thanks for the responses... if there was a World Championship for practising mistakes ... don't even bother turning up ... I am THE MAN ... I will spend hundreds of hours perfecting a way to hit the ball incorrectly ... and then find an even worse way and start again ... I can shoot to my handicap - would be disappointed to be over 90 - usually mid 80s - but I am playing with guys that NEVER practise ... and I am not getting any better than them ... despite all my practise I am not improving ...
... in an average round, I may use 20 or maybe 25 different swings - outside / inside / grip change / twist / turn / pivot / weight transfer / shoulder turn / head still / right side / left side / hands / knuckles / knees / hips / feet / pray ...
... my swing can defy every known law of physics / geometry / science / gravity / medicine / mathematics and bullshit ...
... I can get myself into contortions that Houdini, at his peak, would not have a chance of escaping from ...
...the only reason that I ever bring in a score is that I am a good scrambler ... refuse to give in ... always battling / grinding / suffering incredible turmoil - pain - anguish - frustration ... surely it does not have to be this way ...
... sadly ... I still love it ...
Sounds like you may need some work on your routine (3-F-5 and 12-3)
If you don't step into a shot the same way each time, you can't expect to make the same kind of motion and get the result you wanted.
The human brain likes patterns. Patterns help us orgainize and deal with a world that is extremely complex. Pre-shot routines are the cure for such complexity in the G.O.L.F. motion.
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Hi EdZ, in fact I am fairly good on the pre shot routine ... stand behind the ball and visualise, step in etc. - some fellow players looking slightly strangely at me - but I do not know how they can expect to approach a ball from the side and be lined up properly ...
... so my pre shot is ok ... it is the constant changing of what comes afterwards that is the problem - different takeaway - different planes etc. --- However ... all that is about to change ...
... I have just taken myself into a corner for a meeting and had a serious discussion with myself ... and I have reached a verdict ... I am going to transfer to the TGM and I am going to stick with it until it dies or I do ... and there will be no distractions by Gurus or golfing magazines or quick fixes ... and the man I shall follow henceforth shall be named Yoda ... and that is it / end of story / finito / goodnight and good luck / amen!
So, you trust your pre-shot routine. Still though, it may or may not be ok.
I think you may have answered the problem already. If you can swing the club or need to swing the club 25 different ways to grind through a round, then I'll bet you have pretty good control of zones 2&3. I'll also bet you don't change any components in zone 1.
Your zone 2&3 cannot be any better than zone 1. I know this, I've been there. I lived there for a long time too. You may have a great feel for zones 2&3, and because of such be able to repeat them pretty well. But you must build your swing from the ground up. Zone 1 changes effect most of zone 2&3 components. You have to change your grip and swing each day, because zone 1 changes.
But hey, I'm not an expert. Read Zone 1 and all components and variations. Then read Yoda. Then read Yoda again.
Amaverick: a wonderful post!
IMPACT-rehearsal is the chosen goal for a particular IMPACT condition for a resultant desired shot shape result!
Where you get to at TRANSITION means nothing (except to achieve enough angles for necessary acceleration on the forestroke), but being on the dynamic IMPACT-plane during IMPACT with the necessary clubFACE motion, clubHEAD path AND clubHEAD speed means everything to your shot results. However, certain TRANSITION positions are more compatible with certain chosen forestroke actions. There are many very sound golf stroke motions that produce great results with minimum compensations. Being mechanically perfect may be a goal, but being personally effective is all you should work toward. We all have personal physical limitations. However, Homer isolated many very correct conditions that one should consider.
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