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Old 03-16-2006, 10:17 PM
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with vandals post, i would tend to believe it is the GD version of the X factor without the bull, and i love it. The X factor theory has it all wrong...they think its physics powering the swing where in reality, it seems to be the geometry. any thoughts?
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Old 03-16-2006, 11:46 PM
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with vandals post, i would tend to believe it is the GD version of the X factor without the bull, and i love it. The X factor theory has it all wrong...they think its physics powering the swing where in reality, it seems to be the geometry. any thoughts?

Physics is geometry, geometry is physics.

Their difference is perspective.

Time, space, and motion - they are connected. It is useful to categorize and describe, but one must not forget the relationships that exist define a 'whole'.

Learning to 'see' with each lens, new perspectives, can only be helpful in the long run.
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Old 03-16-2006, 11:53 PM
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with vandals post, i would tend to believe it is the GD version of the X factor without the bull, and i love it. The X factor theory has it all wrong...they think its physics powering the swing where in reality, it seems to be the geometry. any thoughts?
The physics of the golf stroke is useless unless it is precisely aligned and thats why the golfing machine rocks so much . Physics is of force and motion, so in essence physics is what powers the stroke whether it be pivot or muscular thrust, but the geometry aligns the physics. The geometry is of the circle and the physics is of rotation.

The X-factor concept is a half truth. The real concept is that every leading component puts a drag on the next to creat maximum pivot lag, explained by Homer Kelley and similiarly described by Ben Hogan in 5 lessons.

Where the x-factor is false is due to the idea of resisting the hip turn to 'coil more' when this simply isn't the case. You cannot have more than maximum pivot lag - all this serves to do is stop the leading component. Actually this effect can be very useful - ie you can preturn your hips to halt the backstroke at a designated point or use a right anchor and flat left variation to limit the hip turn....etc
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The physics of the golf stroke is useless unless it is precisely aligned and thats why the golfing machine rocks so much . Physics is of force and motion, so in essence physics is what powers the stroke whether it be pivot or muscular thrust, but the geometry aligns the physics. The geometry is of the circle and the physics is of rotation.

The X-factor concept is a half truth. The real concept is that every leading component puts a drag on the next to creat maximum pivot lag, explained by Homer Kelley and similiarly described by Ben Hogan in 5 lessons.

Where the x-factor is false is due to the idea of resisting the hip turn to 'coil more' when this simply isn't the case. You cannot have more than maximum pivot lag - all this serves to do is stop the leading component. Actually this effect can be very useful - ie you can preturn your hips to halt the backstroke at a designated point or use a right anchor and flat left variation to limit the hip turn....etc
Superb post.
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Originally Posted by Mathew

The physics of the golf stroke is useless unless it is precisely aligned and that's why the golfing machine rocks so much . Physics is of force and motion, so in essence physics is what powers the stroke whether it be pivot or muscular thrust, but the geometry aligns the physics. The geometry is of the circle and the physics is of rotation.
Absolutely right, Mathew. This is the essence of G.O.L.F. -- Geometrically Oriented Linear Force.

The Linear Force produced by the Angular (circular) Motion of the Golf Stroke is the Line of Compression. That Line is straight...not curved. It is the Principle of Golf (2-0).

Through Impact, this Linear Force is Geometrically Oriented -- that is, geometrically aligned -- according to the Geometry of the Circle (Clubhead Orbit) and the employed Hinge Action (Clubface Alignment).

A Force geometrically aligned and controlled is efficient.

The Force and its constraining Structure constitute Mechanics.

For the Golfer, Feel is the equivalent of Structure, and its foundation is Educated Hands.

So it is now...

So it will be always.

Form follows function?

This is function.

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I seem to be doing well on this thread, thanks guys
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Should I try to minimize my hip turn at all?
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Old 03-20-2006, 05:26 AM
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Should I try to minimize my hip turn at all?
In the delayed hip action which is 'the ideal'- the hips should lag the shoulders ... which basically means the hips are moved by the shoulder turn so from that perspective of preforming the purity of this principle yes, but by restraint no.... If you try to stop a lagging component, in this case the hip turn, it will stop the leading component, the shoulders - and all too often when this happens, the golfer tries to do something funky to falsely complete their backstroke....
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In the delayed hip action which is 'the ideal'- the hips should lag the shoulders ... which basically means the hips are moved by the shoulder turn so from that perspective of preforming the purity of this principle yes, but by restraint no.... If you try to stop a lagging component, in this case the hip turn, it will stop the leading component, the shoulders - and all too often when this happens, the golfer tries to do something funky to falsely complete their backstroke....
Mathew,

Just want to ensure I understand the delayed hip action concept. I read 10-15-C to be a "preset" of the hip turn prior to start up, although it could also be accomplished by having the shoulders lead the hips on the backstroke. It would seem that for precision the pre-set approach would make it easier to control the length of the backstroke.

I have yet to try delayed hip action done as a pre-setting action, but plan to give it a go. I need to make sure I'm not mis-interpreting what Homer was saying in 10-15-C.


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