Yes, I understand. I use both Horizontal and angled Hinging effectively. I swing. My confusion may exist in the definitions of weak and strong. I agree with strong having the pressure points on the aft side of the shaft and pressure toward the angle of approach. Anything left of that is weak. But let me ask you this: In a strong single action grip, can there be a space between the left thumb and left forefinger? Your answer may solve all my questions. Traditional (less knowledgable) Teaching says yes, but maybe TGM says not necessary but I don't know. Can you answer this?
Also it says somewhere that the #2 pressure point replaces the #3 pressure point in a weak single action grip. Did I say that right. When I get home tonight I'll find the reference.
In the photos of 10-2-B you can see quite clearly a gap between the thumb and 1st finger. This is how you can have the left thumb aft and the wrist truely flat against the vertical plane your hinge action requires.... or at least closer to it....
I'll have a look at the book at the weak single action grip later on to answer as im not so familiar with the specific variation... how I wish I had Yoda's capacity for remembering everything...
In the photos of 10-2-B you can see quite clearly a gap between the thumb and 1st finger. This is how you can have the left thumb aft and the wrist truely flat against the vertical plane your hinge action requires.... or at least closer to it....
I'll have a look at the book at the weak single action grip later on to answer as im not so familiar with the specific variation... how I wish I had Yoda's capacity for remembering everything...
You are doing a fabulous job in this thread Mathew. Enjoying your "holding court." These quotes seem to be very "detailed", but Mathew is pointing out the very PRECISE alignments that are critical to the operation of your Machine bustin' up Plane Lines.
Grip type has a HUGE impact on your release motion. Mathew what is your preferred grip type, release motion and "stock" hinge action?
Let me correct myself in saying that Traditional Teaching methods want the forefinger and thumb to pinch together ala Ben Hogan. I must agree with you in observing the photos that there is a space between the forefinger and left thumb. I thought perhaps that this was an oversight. However the photos also illustrate that there is a difference in the abount of left hand turn between a weak left hand and strong left hand.
If a space is allowed between the forefinger and thumb on the left hand in a weak single action grip, then how does one resolve the "seems like a problem" left thumb not seating perfect with the grip(ie. thumb pad not in complete contact with the grip). If I turn my left hand like the photo of the strong single action the thumb seats fine. Does it matter?
Let me correct myself in saying that Traditional Teaching methods want the forefinger and thumb to pinch together ala Ben Hogan. I must agree with you in observing the photos that there is a space between the forefinger and left thumb. I thought perhaps that this was an oversight. However the photos also illustrate that there is a difference in the abount of left hand turn between a weak left hand and strong left hand.
If a space is allowed between the forefinger and thumb on the left hand in a weak single action grip, then how does one resolve the "seems like a problem" left thumb not seating perfect with the grip(ie. thumb pad not in complete contact with the grip). If I turn my left hand like the photo of the strong single action the thumb seats fine. Does it matter?
Yup, the usual grip that 'traditional' teaching has the thumb and 1st finger pinched. The 'weak' single action and weak in the sence that the left thumb and pp3 is turned to the top of the clubshaft. To do this grip is problematic to do due to the fact to get the no.3 pressure point on top it is hard for the right wrist to not be turned from vertical. It is 'essentially' possible though. The left wrist will remain unaffected(and is a likely result of the no-gap between the thumb and forefinger style when the wrist is flat to vertical) to repositioning the left thumb and in the photos 10-2-A/B, it is exactly the same as the strong single action grip in 10-2-B apart from the fact the thumb is now on top of the clubshaft instead of aft. Anyways what I'm trying to say is that the strong and weak single action differ only in the location of the pressure points - ideally they will not be 'turned more' from vertical.
You are doing a fabulous job in this thread Mathew. Enjoying your "holding court." These quotes seem to be very "detailed", but Mathew is pointing out the very PRECISE alignments that are critical to the operation of your Machine bustin' up Plane Lines.
Grip type has a HUGE impact on your release motion. Mathew what is your preferred grip type, release motion and "stock" hinge action?
Great posts!
Firstly thank you for your praise .
My procedure for aquired and total motion is a swinging procedure - 10-2-B Grip, Horizontal Hinging. The swinging procedure nessesitates a sequenced release per law of the flail in 2-K. My Basic Motion however is a push basic hitting stroke with angled Hinging.
I have played around with the hitting procedure with some success but in retrospect, at the time I did, my knowledge was lacking.
So... is someone like Fred Couples, who has a bent left at the Top, using using Double Wrist Action, or Single with a bend(because of his grip)?
Per 10-2-0 . . .
10-2-0 GENERAL Grip Types are classified according to:
1. Whether the Hands are at right angles or parallel with A. each other or B. the Ground
2. The location of the #3 Pressure Point
3. The extent of certain Wrist Action per 10-18-0. Two Actions – Horizontal (4-A) and Perpendicular (4-B) regardless of Rotational Positions (4-C) – plus two Wrists make possible four combinations of Actions.
10-2-D is Couples grip and this grip is called Strong Double Action because the Left Wrist not only cocks but bends.
This should also shed some light on it . . .
10-2-G TRIPLE OF QUADRUPLE When the above Grip Types are MODIFIED by Rotating the Hands so that either or both Wirsts cannot Cock On Plane without also Bending, Feel loses its geometric basis. Also the natural Wrist motions conflict. A bit of Left Wrist Turn properly becomes exactly the same amount of Double Wristcock to keep the Clubshaft On Plane and to maintain Impact Wrist Position. Except with a “True” Swing (6-B-3-0) where Centrifugal Force will produce the “geometric” Flat Left Wrist when there is actually a “visual” Bent Left Wrist. That is, the Clubshaft and the Left Arm are in a straight line per 6-B-3-0 and 2-K regardless of the Left Wrist Position. These procedures may be either “Weak” or “Strong” but either or both Wrist are Double Cocked per 10-18-B.
So... is someone like Fred Couples, who has a bent left at the Top, using using Double Wrist Action, or Single with a bend(because of his grip)?
Look at any impact pictures of freddy - you will see that his wrist is not flat against the vertical plane of the hinge action, it is pretty turned. What becomes 'his' perpendicular motion of #2 ... think about it....
Look at any impact pictures of freddy - you will see that his wrist is not flat against the vertical plane of the hinge action, it is pretty turned. What becomes 'his' perpendicular motion of #2 ... think about it....
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Very good all! Keep it up!
How about... Zinger, Duval, Langer, Ed Fiori, and maybe some will remember Judy Rankin?
How about... Zinger, Duval, Langer, Ed Fiori, and maybe some will remember Judy Rankin?
Classify Grip and Hinge Action...
10-2-D STRONG DOUBLE ACTION T/V/A Now the Right Wrist is Vertical and the Left Wrist is Turned to the top of the Clubshaft so that the Left Wristcocking motion will be on the same line as the Right Wrist Bend. The #3 Pressure Point and the left thumb are also on the same line as the Right Wrist Bend. Double Action – same as 10-2-C.
Very compatible with the Cut Shot procedures. Any Left Wrist Bend at Impact Fix should be maintained throughout the Stroke.
This Grip Type features maximum Wristcocking action and strong support for both Acceleration and Impact loads. The palm of the Right Hand moves toward Impact exactly like a paddle-wheel rotating On-Plane – no separate Rolling Motion until after Impact. See 10-10-C.
10-10-C ANGLED HINGE ACTION This simultaneous “Closing and Layback” procedure holds the Flat Left Wrist vertical to the Inclined Plane (2-D, 2-G). This is identical to the Paddle-Wheel motion of the straightening Right Arm but is a superior procedure (1-F). It greatly simplifies Hitting (10-19-A). The Shoulder Turn changes the appearance of this 10-18-C Wrist Action but not its Feel (see 7-10). Its Slice tendency must be compensated per 2-J-1. The “Laying Back” action makes Ball location very critical. Study 4-D-0.
1-F RIGHT ARM OR LEFT . . . However, you will save yourself much anguish by using the Right Hand just for sensing and controlling acceleration and the Left Hand just for sensing and controlling alignments. Right Hand – Clubhead. Left Hand – Clubface. Essentially, the Left Hand should be consciously Monitored (5-0) from Start Up (8-4) to Finish (8-12) so there will be no unintentional or panicky wobble. See 6-M-0. And variations in Elbow Bend and/or location during Release will disturb Clubface control by the Right Arm, making it an inferior procedure (7-2).
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Hybrid Mode
