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Old 03-22-2006, 01:14 AM
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Good responses!!

So... is someone like Fred Couples, who has a bent left at the Top, using using Double Wrist Action, or Single with a bend(because of his grip)?
Look at any impact pictures of freddy - you will see that his wrist is not flat against the vertical plane of the hinge action, it is pretty turned. What becomes 'his' perpendicular motion of #2 ... think about it....
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Look at any impact pictures of freddy - you will see that his wrist is not flat against the vertical plane of the hinge action, it is pretty turned. What becomes 'his' perpendicular motion of #2 ... think about it....
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Very good all! Keep it up!

How about... Zinger, Duval, Langer, Ed Fiori, and maybe some will remember Judy Rankin?

Classify Grip and Hinge Action...
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Very good all! Keep it up!

How about... Zinger, Duval, Langer, Ed Fiori, and maybe some will remember Judy Rankin?

Classify Grip and Hinge Action...
10-2-D STRONG DOUBLE ACTION T/V/A Now the Right Wrist is Vertical and the Left Wrist is Turned to the top of the Clubshaft so that the Left Wristcocking motion will be on the same line as the Right Wrist Bend. The #3 Pressure Point and the left thumb are also on the same line as the Right Wrist Bend. Double Action – same as 10-2-C.

Very compatible with the Cut Shot procedures. Any Left Wrist Bend at Impact Fix should be maintained throughout the Stroke.

This Grip Type features maximum Wristcocking action and strong support for both Acceleration and Impact loads. The palm of the Right Hand moves toward Impact exactly like a paddle-wheel rotating On-Plane – no separate Rolling Motion until after Impact. See 10-10-C.

10-10-C ANGLED HINGE ACTION This simultaneous “Closing and Layback” procedure holds the Flat Left Wrist vertical to the Inclined Plane (2-D, 2-G). This is identical to the Paddle-Wheel motion of the straightening Right Arm but is a superior procedure (1-F). It greatly simplifies Hitting (10-19-A). The Shoulder Turn changes the appearance of this 10-18-C Wrist Action but not its Feel (see 7-10). Its Slice tendency must be compensated per 2-J-1. The “Laying Back” action makes Ball location very critical. Study 4-D-0.

1-F RIGHT ARM OR LEFT . . . However, you will save yourself much anguish by using the Right Hand just for sensing and controlling acceleration and the Left Hand just for sensing and controlling alignments. Right Hand – Clubhead. Left Hand – Clubface. Essentially, the Left Hand should be consciously Monitored (5-0) from Start Up (8-4) to Finish (8-12) so there will be no unintentional or panicky wobble. See 6-M-0. And variations in Elbow Bend and/or location during Release will disturb Clubface control by the Right Arm, making it an inferior procedure (7-2).


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Very good all! Keep it up!

How about... Zinger, Duval, Langer, Ed Fiori, and maybe some will remember Judy Rankin?

Classify Grip and Hinge Action...




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I think the answer to the question "How flat is flat?" can be found in the right wrist bend at impact fix. In this location the right arm flying wedge includes a precise amount of right wrist bend. Your left wrist will appear flat and vertical or your hand will have some degree of turn on the grip. As long as the right arm flying wedge with its fixed degree of right wrist bend is maintained, then you'll have a geometrically flat left wrist.

Backstroke visual check (swinger) is straight foreword. The flying wedges are assembled (swinger) at the end of the takeaway, aproximately two feet back. The right arm flying wedge is completed and includes its precise amount of right wrist bend. At this position the amount of visual left wrist bend is only the result of a turned left hand at impact fix. This visual amount of bend should exist at the end of the backstroke. Attempting to flatten the left wrist to comply with visual flatness will affect the wedges.

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Daryl's answer and Bucket's pictures are good!

The other extreme would be guys like Johnny Miller, Olazabal, and Pavin. Hogan is sometimes said to have a "weak grip"(non-TGM term), but I don't think it is quite like these guys.
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Daryl's answer and Bucket's pictures are good!

The other extreme would be guys like Johnny Miller, Olazabal, and Pavin. Hogan is sometimes said to have a "weak grip"(non-TGM term), but I don't think it is quite like these guys.
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Originally Posted by lagster
Daryl's answer and Bucket's pictures are good!

The other extreme would be guys like Johnny Miller, Olazabal, and Pavin. Hogan is sometimes said to have a "weak grip"(non-TGM term), but I don't think it is quite like these guys.
No luck on Pavin. I'm not sure that these "weak" grip guys or more accurately vertical or less turned tell you much. The 10-2-D guys are pretty much required to use Angled Hinging wouldn't you say. But the Vertical guys 10-2-B have Horizontal and Angled Hinging at their disposal. Fair wiell for time is long and fate is fickle.







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Originally Posted by Daryl
I think the answer to the question "How flat is flat?" can be found in the right wrist bend at impact fix. In this location the right arm flying wedge includes a precise amount of right wrist bend. Your left wrist will appear flat and vertical or your hand will have some degree of turn on the grip. As long as the right arm flying wedge with its fixed degree of right wrist bend is maintained, then you'll have a geometrically flat left wrist.

Backstroke visual check (swinger) is straight foreword. The flying wedges are assembled (swinger) at the end of the takeaway, aproximately two feet back. The right arm flying wedge is completed and includes its precise amount of right wrist bend. At this position the amount of visual left wrist bend is only the result of a turned left hand at impact fix. This visual amount of bend should exist at the end of the backstroke. Attempting to flatten the left wrist to comply with visual flatness will affect the wedges.
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Originally Posted by Daryl
I think the answer to the question "How flat is flat?" can be found in the right wrist bend at impact fix. In this location the right arm flying wedge includes a precise amount of right wrist bend. Your left wrist will appear flat and vertical or your hand will have some degree of turn on the grip. As long as the right arm flying wedge with its fixed degree of right wrist bend is maintained, then you'll have a geometrically flat left wrist.

Backstroke visual check (swinger) is straight foreword. The flying wedges are assembled (swinger) at the end of the takeaway, aproximately two feet back. The right arm flying wedge is completed and includes its precise amount of right wrist bend. At this position the amount of visual left wrist bend is only the result of a turned left hand at impact fix. This visual amount of bend should exist at the end of the backstroke. Attempting to flatten the left wrist to comply with visual flatness will affect the wedges.


This is a great answer to something which i've been struggling with. My instructor is an advocate of your left hand being placed on the club how it "naturally" hangs - that leaves me with what would normally be called a strong grip and some left wrist bend at impact fix.

Incorrectly i've been trying to flatten the left wrist on the backstroke "to visually flat" - the result is that everything goes left because the clubface is way closed. Sounds like with this sort of grip it is better to just focus on keeping your right wrist bend constant and forget about the left.

Great post again, thanks
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