My copy of the book hasn't yet arrived but i'm curious whether my grip is similar to what has been described.
I grip in my left hand in the "natural" position in which it hangs - turned inwards and i can see 3 knuckles. The left wrist has a slight bend given it is turned so much. I thought i already had a strong grip but my coach made it stronger again.
Interestingly played in a couple of pro-ams recently and the pros have always commented on my grip, usually "no one plays with a grip that strong these days you need to fix that and make it more neutral"
Here is how Mr. Kelley defined 10-2-D . . .
10-2-D STRONG DOUBLE ACTION T/V/A Now the Right Wrist is Vertical and the Left Wrist is Turned to the top of the Clubshaft so that the Left Wristcocking motion will be on the same line as the Right Wrist Bend. The #3 Pressure Point and the left thumb are also on the same line as the Right Wrist Bend. Double Action – same as 10-2-C.
Very compatible with the Cut Shot procedures. Any Left Wrist Bend at Impact Fix should be maintained throughout the Stroke.
This Grip Type features maximum Wristcocking action and strong support for both Acceleration and Impact loads. The palm of the Right Hand moves toward Impact exactly like a paddle-wheel rotating On-Plane – no separate Rolling Motion until after Impact. See 10-10-C.
Don't listen to those people you CAN play golf with that grip. You can win majors with that grip. You can be considered the best ballstriker of all time with that grip.
The key is knowing HOW YOU MUST RELEASE. So go get your hammer . . .
Originally Posted by Yoda
Colonel,
Put a 10-2-D Grip -- Left Wrist Turned On Plane -- on a hammer whose head faces to the left. Then, drive a nail into a wall on your left. That is 'Throwing the Clubface at the Ball'. And it's a good thing. In fact, if you've got a 10-2-D Grip, it's the only thing! Through Impact, there is only Uncocking (Wrist Motion) and zero Roll (Hand Motion).
The quote from 4-D-0 (Release Motions) assumes the 10-2-B Grip (Left Wrist Vertical to the ground). Unlike the Release Motion required by the 10-2-D Grip (Wrist Motion only), the On Plane Uncocking of the Left Wrist (Wrist Motion) must be followed by the Roll of the #3 Accumulator Angle (Hand Motion). This Sequenced Release simultaneously returns the Left Wrist to Vertical and Squares the Clubface.
To alternatively square the Clubface by 'throwing' the Club past a Bending Left Wrist -- a Horizontal Wrist Motion -- is as disastrous as it is common. This is a different 'throw' -- ThrowAWAY! -- and it is far different than the Swinger's Release Wrist Throw (a Perpendicular Wrist Motion).
Very interesting thread.I have been meaning to post on this subject after making some grip changes.I thought,until I read this thread that Ihad changed to 10-2-D.But now i don't think so as i still feel like i am horizontal hingeing,though i have found that my drives now have a slight fade -everything else is straight/draw.Is there a "twiglight zone "between 10-2-B & 10-2-D?. just when i thought i was making progress
Don't listen to those people you CAN play golf with that grip. You can win majors with that grip. You can be considered the best ballstriker of all time with that grip.
The key is knowing HOW YOU MUST RELEASE. So go get your hammer . . .
Here's some pics of my grip would be interested to hear your thoughts. I use the way my left hand naturally hangs as a guide. Ends up being a grip that most pros say is way too strong... my standard shot shape is a slight draw with the irons tending to a hook with the woods. The hardest shot for me to hit is left to right (fade or slice)
Here's some pics of my grip would be interested to hear your thoughts. I use the way my left hand naturally hangs as a guide. Ends up being a grip that most pros say is way too strong... my standard shot shape is a slight draw with the irons tending to a hook with the woods. The hardest shot for me to hit is left to right (fade or slice)
I would consider that a grip you can most certainly play excellent golf with. Assuming you have a basically flat left wrist at the top, your flying wedges and plane are likely quite good. With good exensor action, you no doubt feel very 'set' at the top, and indeed, throughout your entire motion.
Nice work. Post some video or a sequence if you are able
A note regarding your fade difficulties.
Keep your right hand and left thumb where they are, and get the back of the left hand closer to matching the clubface. The key is to keep that thumb 'aft'. You might also check your grip size. The grip you have generally goes nicely with a slightly larger grip (your left hand fingers should just barely touch your thumbpad).
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Here's some pics of my grip would be interested to hear your thoughts. I use the way my left hand naturally hangs as a guide. Ends up being a grip that most pros say is way too strong... my standard shot shape is a slight draw with the irons tending to a hook with the woods. The hardest shot for me to hit is left to right (fade or slice)
This looks good to me man. Just one thing. Relax the right arm a bit. I would bet that your Right Forearm is not in the same plane as the shaft. Relax the arm and bend the elbow a little.
Now here's your home work with your camera. This will be illustrative for a lot of people. Get your hammer. Put YOUR NORMAL LEFT HAND GRIP ON THE HAMMER as we see here WITH THE HEAD OF THE HAMMER FACING LEFT. HAMMER A WALL TO YOUR LEFT. With the grip you have YOU CANNOT WILL NOT NO WAY IN HELL HIT THE WALL SQUARE IF YOU ROLL YOUR LEFT HAND. Right?
Now start the process over . . . BUT THIS TIME WITH A LEFT HAND THAT IS "WEAKER" or VERTICAL. Hammer the wall to your left. Guess what? If you DON'T ROLL (Swivel), YOU CANNOT WILL NOT NO WAY IN HELL HIT THE WALL SQUARE.
Seeing and feeling is believing dude. This is what you HAVE TO DO WITH THE GOLF CLUB. Your release motion MUST COMPLY WITH YOUR GRIP TYPE. See the pics of Lee Buck? Note how his left hand REMAINS TURNED TO THE PLANE? Why? If he ROLLED like every pop instructor says, he'd be in the left woods where the elephants go to die.
What is amazing about this all is Mr. K GOT IT RIGHT!!! The man was a GENIUS!!!!
This looks good to me man. Just one thing. Relax the right arm a bit. I would bet that your Right Forearm is not in the same plane as the shaft. Relax the arm and bend the elbow a little.
Seeing and feeling is believing dude. This is what you HAVE TO DO WITH THE GOLF CLUB. Your release motion MUST COMPLY WITH YOUR GRIP TYPE. See the pics of Lee Buck? Note how his left hand REMAINS TURNED TO THE PLANE? Why? If he ROLLED like every pop instructor says, he'd be in the left woods where the elephants go to die.
What is amazing about this all is Mr. K GOT IT RIGHT!!! The man was a GENIUS!!!!
Actually my right elbow is tucked closer to my body with the right forearm on plane - a bit hard to see from that pic, will post another one down the line (this is the first thing along with my grip my coach changed).
Homework sounds interesting !!
This is all starting to make sense... on my good shots i don't feel the release at all (or feel that i've had to conciously do anything to square the face)
Now here's your home work with your camera. This will be illustrative for a lot of people. Get your hammer. Put YOUR NORMAL LEFT HAND GRIP ON THE HAMMER as we see here WITH THE HEAD OF THE HAMMER FACING LEFT. HAMMER A WALL TO YOUR LEFT. With the grip you have YOU CANNOT WILL NOT NO WAY IN HELL HIT THE WALL SQUARE IF YOU ROLL YOUR LEFT HAND. Right?
Now start the process over . . . BUT THIS TIME WITH A LEFT HAND THAT IS "WEAKER" or VERTICAL. Hammer the wall to your left. Guess what? If you DON'T ROLL (Swivel), YOU CANNOT WILL NOT NO WAY IN HELL HIT THE WALL SQUARE.
OK here's the results of my homework, hope i got this right
Pic 1 is my normal grip, no wrist turn = hammer square
Pic 2 is my normal grip, left wrist turned = hammer points way left
Pic 3 is "weak" grip, wrist turned = hammer square
What this is telling me is that if I have my current grip + left wrist rotation then everythings going left into the bushes?
OK here's the results of my homework, hope i got this right
Pic 1 is my normal grip, no wrist turn = hammer square
Pic 2 is my normal grip, left wrist turned = hammer points way left
Pic 3 is "weak" grip, wrist turned = hammer square
What this is telling me is that if I have my current grip + left wrist rotation then everythings going left into the bushes?
Woo!!!!! This is fantastic!!!! As you can see pictures don't tell no lies!!!! If your LEFT HAND IS TURNED ON THE GRIP you DO NOT WANT TO ROLL!!!
With your Turned grip to hit the wall square you COCK AND UNCOCK ONLY. But with the vertical grip YOU HAVE TO ROLL TO HIT THE WALL SQUARE.
Thanks for taking these pics man! The Golfing Machine should come with a video. Very nice!
Originally Posted by bergsey
Homework sounds interesting !!
This is all starting to make sense... on my good shots i don't feel the release at all (or feel that i've had to conciously do anything to square the face)
YES!!! YES!!!! YES!!!!
This is the FEEL of ANGLED HINGING!!! Which is a MUST with your grip my friend from down-under. Check this quote out . . .
,“Basic Hinging” has the following characteristics of appearance and feel. Between the “Full Roll” of Horizontal Hinging and the “No Roll” of Vertical Hinging, Angled Hinging takes on a “Half Roll” motion. While Horizontal Hinging retains the “Feel” of a “Roll”, Angled Hinging takes on a “No Roll” Feel and Vertical Hinging is executed as a “Reverse Roll”.
Hybrid Mode
