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Old 04-11-2006, 10:03 PM
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Here's some pics of my grip would be interested to hear your thoughts. I use the way my left hand naturally hangs as a guide. Ends up being a grip that most pros say is way too strong... my standard shot shape is a slight draw with the irons tending to a hook with the woods. The hardest shot for me to hit is left to right (fade or slice)



This looks good to me man. Just one thing. Relax the right arm a bit. I would bet that your Right Forearm is not in the same plane as the shaft. Relax the arm and bend the elbow a little.

Now here's your home work with your camera. This will be illustrative for a lot of people. Get your hammer. Put YOUR NORMAL LEFT HAND GRIP ON THE HAMMER as we see here WITH THE HEAD OF THE HAMMER FACING LEFT. HAMMER A WALL TO YOUR LEFT. With the grip you have YOU CANNOT WILL NOT NO WAY IN HELL HIT THE WALL SQUARE IF YOU ROLL YOUR LEFT HAND. Right?

Now start the process over . . . BUT THIS TIME WITH A LEFT HAND THAT IS "WEAKER" or VERTICAL. Hammer the wall to your left. Guess what? If you DON'T ROLL (Swivel), YOU CANNOT WILL NOT NO WAY IN HELL HIT THE WALL SQUARE.

Seeing and feeling is believing dude. This is what you HAVE TO DO WITH THE GOLF CLUB. Your release motion MUST COMPLY WITH YOUR GRIP TYPE. See the pics of Lee Buck? Note how his left hand REMAINS TURNED TO THE PLANE? Why? If he ROLLED like every pop instructor says, he'd be in the left woods where the elephants go to die.

What is amazing about this all is Mr. K GOT IT RIGHT!!! The man was a GENIUS!!!!
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Old 04-11-2006, 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
This looks good to me man. Just one thing. Relax the right arm a bit. I would bet that your Right Forearm is not in the same plane as the shaft. Relax the arm and bend the elbow a little.
Seeing and feeling is believing dude. This is what you HAVE TO DO WITH THE GOLF CLUB. Your release motion MUST COMPLY WITH YOUR GRIP TYPE. See the pics of Lee Buck? Note how his left hand REMAINS TURNED TO THE PLANE? Why? If he ROLLED like every pop instructor says, he'd be in the left woods where the elephants go to die.

What is amazing about this all is Mr. K GOT IT RIGHT!!! The man was a GENIUS!!!!

Actually my right elbow is tucked closer to my body with the right forearm on plane - a bit hard to see from that pic, will post another one down the line (this is the first thing along with my grip my coach changed).

Homework sounds interesting !!

This is all starting to make sense... on my good shots i don't feel the release at all (or feel that i've had to conciously do anything to square the face)
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Old 04-12-2006, 09:45 AM
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OK Teach, Here's my homework
Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
Now here's your home work with your camera. This will be illustrative for a lot of people. Get your hammer. Put YOUR NORMAL LEFT HAND GRIP ON THE HAMMER as we see here WITH THE HEAD OF THE HAMMER FACING LEFT. HAMMER A WALL TO YOUR LEFT. With the grip you have YOU CANNOT WILL NOT NO WAY IN HELL HIT THE WALL SQUARE IF YOU ROLL YOUR LEFT HAND. Right?

Now start the process over . . . BUT THIS TIME WITH A LEFT HAND THAT IS "WEAKER" or VERTICAL. Hammer the wall to your left. Guess what? If you DON'T ROLL (Swivel), YOU CANNOT WILL NOT NO WAY IN HELL HIT THE WALL SQUARE.

OK here's the results of my homework, hope i got this right

Pic 1 is my normal grip, no wrist turn = hammer square
Pic 2 is my normal grip, left wrist turned = hammer points way left
Pic 3 is "weak" grip, wrist turned = hammer square





What this is telling me is that if I have my current grip + left wrist rotation then everythings going left into the bushes?
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Old 04-12-2006, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by bergsey
What this is telling me is that if I have my current grip + left wrist rotation then everythings going left into the bushes?
More or less.
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Old 04-12-2006, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by bergsey
OK here's the results of my homework, hope i got this right

Pic 1 is my normal grip, no wrist turn = hammer square
Pic 2 is my normal grip, left wrist turned = hammer points way left
Pic 3 is "weak" grip, wrist turned = hammer square





What this is telling me is that if I have my current grip + left wrist rotation then everythings going left into the bushes?
Woo!!!!! This is fantastic!!!! As you can see pictures don't tell no lies!!!! If your LEFT HAND IS TURNED ON THE GRIP you DO NOT WANT TO ROLL!!!

With your Turned grip to hit the wall square you COCK AND UNCOCK ONLY. But with the vertical grip YOU HAVE TO ROLL TO HIT THE WALL SQUARE.

Thanks for taking these pics man! The Golfing Machine should come with a video. Very nice!

Originally Posted by bergsey

Homework sounds interesting !!

This is all starting to make sense... on my good shots i don't feel the release at all (or feel that i've had to conciously do anything to square the face)
YES!!! YES!!!! YES!!!!

This is the FEEL of ANGLED HINGING!!! Which is a MUST with your grip my friend from down-under. Check this quote out . . .
,“Basic Hinging” has the following characteristics of appearance and feel. Between the “Full Roll” of Horizontal Hinging and the “No Roll” of Vertical Hinging, Angled Hinging takes on a “Half Roll” motion. While Horizontal Hinging retains the “Feel” of a “Roll”, Angled Hinging takes on a “No Roll” Feel and Vertical Hinging is executed as a “Reverse Roll”.
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BTW in your description of pic 3.....nothing is Turned there (going by TGM definitions).
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Originally Posted by birdie_man
BTW in your description of pic 3.....nothing is Turned there (going by TGM definitions).
Correct. That is Bergsey gripping the hammer with a 10-2-B grip with Vertical left hand requiring swivel to strike the wall square.
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
This is the FEEL of ANGLED HINGING!!! Which is a MUST with your grip my friend from down-under. Check this quote out . . .

Can I have angled hinging and still hit a draw? as i mentioned earlier on i have pretty much never faded the ball, straight or slight draw is my "good" shot. The odd fade i have hit (unintentionally) has been with the very short irons e.g. PW

I thought that angled hinging = fade, although perhaps my angled hinge might be closer to a horizontal one?

Not sure whether it makes much difference but others have mentioned my clubface looking very "shut" at the top, not sure if this is a result of the grip or some manipulation along the way.... i'll try and borrow a camera at some point and put a sequence up...

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Can I have angled hinging and still hit a draw? as i mentioned earlier on i have pretty much never faded the ball, straight or slight draw is my "good" shot. The odd fade i have hit (unintentionally) has been with the very short irons e.g. PW

I thought that angled hinging = fade, although perhaps my angled hinge might be closer to a horizontal one?

Not sure whether it makes much difference but others have mentioned my clubface looking very "shut" at the top, not sure if this is a result of the grip or some manipulation along the way.... i'll try and borrow a camera at some point and put a sequence up...
B . . . You can hit a draw or a cut with ANY Hinge Action . . .
2-J-1 IMPACT ALIGNMENTS . . .Except with a Cut Shot procedure, the clubface is properly soled behind the ball when the leadingedge is slightly "open." The longer the shot the more Open the Clubface.

The Clubface must be exactly square to the Line of Flight ONLY at the point of Separation. So if the EXECUTION of the Stroke is geometrically correct, a square face at pre-impact can result in a Line of Flight to the left, or "inside" of the intended Line - a Pulled Shot. Or, if this error of alignment is great enough, it will result in a Hooked Shot.
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7-2 GRIP TYPES . . . For the “True” Hitter, Moving the Ball back (Hook alignment) or forward (Slice alignment) – always with the Clubface aligned to the Target Line per 2-J-1 – gives straightaway initial direction (2-B). Opening the Clubface (Slice Grip) or Closing the Clubface (Hook Grip) at your normal Impact Fix, produces Pushed Slices and Pulled Hooks and so require a compensating Target Line adjustment to make it square to the changed Clubface alignment.

For the “True” Swinger, “Opening” the Plane Line (10-5-D) until it is square to the Clubface alignment at the new “Aft” location, will produce a “Fade.” With the Ball moved Forward, “Closing” the Plane Line (10-5-E) square to the Clubface alignment at the new location, will produce a “Draw.” The Curve of the their paths, after the straightaway initial direction, will be proportional to the divergence of the Plane and Target Lines. Herein, “Path” terms (Ball Path etc.) refer to total Ball behavior, whether or not it remains straightaway. “Line” terms (“Target Line” etc.) refer to the straightaway direction of Aim
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