pics of wrist impact position--anti roll?

[bergsey]

Now here's your home work with your camera. This will be illustrative for a lot of people. Get your hammer. Put YOUR NORMAL LEFT HAND GRIP ON THE HAMMER as we see here WITH THE HEAD OF THE HAMMER FACING LEFT. HAMMER A WALL TO YOUR LEFT. With the grip you have YOU CANNOT WILL NOT NO WAY IN HELL HIT THE WALL SQUARE IF YOU ROLL YOUR LEFT HAND. Right?

Now start the process over . . . BUT THIS TIME WITH A LEFT HAND THAT IS "WEAKER" or VERTICAL. Hammer the wall to your left. Guess what? If you DON'T ROLL (Swivel), YOU CANNOT WILL NOT NO WAY IN HELL HIT THE WALL SQUARE.

OK here's the results of my homework, hope i got this right

Pic 1 is my normal grip, no wrist turn = hammer square
Pic 2 is my normal grip, left wrist turned = hammer points way left
Pic 3 is "weak" grip, wrist turned = hammer square





What this is telling me is that if I have my current grip + left wrist rotation then everythings going left into the bushes?

[birdie_man]

What this is telling me is that if I have my current grip + left wrist rotation then everythings going left into the bushes?

More or less.

[Vandal]

What's that saying? Left of Ralph Nader.

[12 piece bucket]

OK here's the results of my homework, hope i got this right

Pic 1 is my normal grip, no wrist turn = hammer square
Pic 2 is my normal grip, left wrist turned = hammer points way left
Pic 3 is "weak" grip, wrist turned = hammer square





What this is telling me is that if I have my current grip + left wrist rotation then everythings going left into the bushes?

Woo!!!!! This is fantastic!!!! As you can see pictures don't tell no lies!!!! If your LEFT HAND IS TURNED ON THE GRIP you DO NOT WANT TO ROLL!!!

With your Turned grip to hit the wall square you COCK AND UNCOCK ONLY. But with the vertical grip YOU HAVE TO ROLL TO HIT THE WALL SQUARE.

Thanks for taking these pics man! The Golfing Machine should come with a video. Very nice!

Homework sounds interesting !!

This is all starting to make sense... on my good shots i don't feel the release at all (or feel that i've had to conciously do anything to square the face)

YES!!! YES!!!! YES!!!!

This is the FEEL of ANGLED HINGING!!! Which is a MUST with your grip my friend from down-under. Check this quote out . . .

,“Basic Hinging” has the following characteristics of appearance and feel. Between the “Full Roll” of Horizontal Hinging and the “No Roll” of Vertical Hinging, Angled Hinging takes on a “Half Roll” motion. While Horizontal Hinging retains the “Feel” of a “Roll”, Angled Hinging takes on a “No Roll” Feel and Vertical Hinging is executed as a “Reverse Roll”.

[birdie_man]

BTW in your description of pic 3.....nothing is Turned there (going by TGM definitions).

[12 piece bucket]

BTW in your description of pic 3.....nothing is Turned there (going by TGM definitions).

Correct. That is Bergsey gripping the hammer with a 10-2-B grip with Vertical left hand requiring swivel to strike the wall square.

[bergsey]

This is the FEEL of ANGLED HINGING!!! Which is a MUST with your grip my friend from down-under. Check this quote out . . .

Can I have angled hinging and still hit a draw? as i mentioned earlier on i have pretty much never faded the ball, straight or slight draw is my "good" shot. The odd fade i have hit (unintentionally) has been with the very short irons e.g. PW

I thought that angled hinging = fade, although perhaps my angled hinge might be closer to a horizontal one?

Not sure whether it makes much difference but others have mentioned my clubface looking very "shut" at the top, not sure if this is a result of the grip or some manipulation along the way.... i'll try and borrow a camera at some point and put a sequence up...

[12 piece bucket]

Can I have angled hinging and still hit a draw? as i mentioned earlier on i have pretty much never faded the ball, straight or slight draw is my "good" shot. The odd fade i have hit (unintentionally) has been with the very short irons e.g. PW

I thought that angled hinging = fade, although perhaps my angled hinge might be closer to a horizontal one?

Not sure whether it makes much difference but others have mentioned my clubface looking very "shut" at the top, not sure if this is a result of the grip or some manipulation along the way.... i'll try and borrow a camera at some point and put a sequence up...

B . . . You can hit a draw or a cut with ANY Hinge Action . . .

2-J-1 IMPACT ALIGNMENTS . . .Except with a Cut Shot procedure, the clubface is properly soled behind the ball when the leadingedge is slightly "open." The longer the shot the more Open the Clubface.

The Clubface must be exactly square to the Line of Flight ONLY at the point of Separation. So if the EXECUTION of the Stroke is geometrically correct, a square face at pre-impact can result in a Line of Flight to the left, or "inside" of the intended Line - a Pulled Shot. Or, if this error of alignment is great enough, it will result in a Hooked Shot.

and

7-2 GRIP TYPES . . . For the “True” Hitter, Moving the Ball back (Hook alignment) or forward (Slice alignment) – always with the Clubface aligned to the Target Line per 2-J-1 – gives straightaway initial direction (2-B). Opening the Clubface (Slice Grip) or Closing the Clubface (Hook Grip) at your normal Impact Fix, produces Pushed Slices and Pulled Hooks and so require a compensating Target Line adjustment to make it square to the changed Clubface alignment.

For the “True” Swinger, “Opening” the Plane Line (10-5-D) until it is square to the Clubface alignment at the new “Aft” location, will produce a “Fade.” With the Ball moved Forward, “Closing” the Plane Line (10-5-E) square to the Clubface alignment at the new location, will produce a “Draw.” The Curve of the their paths, after the straightaway initial direction, will be proportional to the divergence of the Plane and Target Lines. Herein, “Path” terms (Ball Path etc.) refer to total Ball behavior, whether or not it remains straightaway. “Line” terms (“Target Line” etc.) refer to the straightaway direction of Aim

[bergsey]

Went and had another lesson earlier in the week and got my grip checked. My coach suggested weakening a bit but leaving the thumb on the right hand side of the shaft.

From this...


To this.....


Everything since then is either a push slice or almost shank !

Do i need to conciously try and close the face now as opposed to my previous "strong grip"?

[birdie_man]

That bottom one looks too weak. i.e. your wrist looks "left of" Vertical (too Rolled).

Experiment with something in the middle of the two.

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And no....you don't try to consciously do anything. It should be automatic.

Swing the same as you did with your old grip.