Books, Books, and more books

[kmmcnabb]

The Manual of Golf by Alex Hay is great too. It has some basics on clubs, etc which is old but his stuff on the set up, plane, swing, is very very good. Grip is standard grip and he discusses FLW/BRW specifically. I haven't gotten through the whole book yet (just got it Monday, 1 May) but it is worth a look too. I did pick up the other Hay books too and they are not worth it. Mostly basic stuff with little on swing, etc.

All in all, happy find. He stresses some very good TGM basics without saying TGM once. Neat. In the Manual of Golf he stresses to work on your swing in the order he prescribes to troubleshoot problems (order is grip, stance, ball position)......don't know the rest yet still reading.

Worth a look if you can get a good price.

Kev

[Burner]

The Manual of Golf by Alex Hay is great too. It has some basics on clubs, etc which is old but his stuff on the set up, plane, swing, is very very good. Grip is standard grip and he discusses FLW/BRW specifically. I haven't gotten through the whole book yet (just got it Monday, 1 May) but it is worth a look too. I did pick up the other Hay books too and they are not worth it. Mostly basic stuff with little on swing, etc.

All in all, happy find. He stresses some very good TGM basics without saying TGM once. Neat. In the Manual of Golf he stresses to work on your swing in the order he prescribes to troubleshoot problems (order is grip, stance, ball position)......don't know the rest yet still reading.

Worth a look if you can get a good price.

Kev

I've had this book for some time and it is a very impressive work from such a little known, and hardly acknowledged, author. It stands head and shoulders above most of the other tripe peddled by those names considered to be far more illustrious.

Much very good information and very TGM in its approach to building of the golf swing. Basic, then aquired motion before going on to the full swing. FLW, BRW, hitting down on the ball, driver included, its all there, well illustrated and easy to understand.

His reference to base point, full extention, etc. are redolent of Homer's low point and both arms straight.

Makes you wonder which came first, Homer's Chicken or Hay's Egg.

[kmmcnabb]

Burner,

I had that very same thought when looking at the Hay books. He was ahead of his time for sure and some ideas are very, very close without using the same terminology. My wife thinks that great minds must think alike or better yet "great minds come to the same conclusions, they must be true".

I find it interesting that both were putting out info at about the same time frames (1979-1980s). I think Hay may have been earlier with 1979 but someone who knows Homer better may know if he beat him to the punch.

Any way you put it both are great books for TGM folks, add it to Homer's for a complete set.

Kev

[Yoda]

I find it interesting that both were putting out info at about the same time frames (1979-1980s). I think Hay may have been earlier with 1979 but someone who knows Homer better may know if he beat him to the punch.

The first edition of The Golfing Machine was published in 1969, ten years earlier than the 1979 date you reference for Hay's work.

[kmmcnabb]

Guess that settles the debate of the chicken or the egg. Looks like Hay owes Homer some money (or maybe some credit). Don't know but my boss here swears Homer and Hay owe a bunch to Jones and Hogan too. Now we are going back.

Kev

[thinkin2]

Lots of good reads mentioned here already. I like the Harvey Penick books. I think he was a wise gentleman and I would loved to have known him. Someone mentioned Paul Bertholy. Doug Ferreri, who worked with Paul Bertholy, has a book out titled "Golf Swing Construction 101, The Bertholy Method Revisited". Lots of good stuff in there, imo, and I particularly like the "golden exercise" in it. I think the main purpose of the "golden exercise" is to get to the 6/100 position effectively. Great thread. Some of these I have and others I don't but probably should have. Actually, I'm still debating whether to get TGM yet. I don't want to freak myself out when I'm just getting started here, lol.
Jerry

[Burner]

Guess that settles the debate of the chicken or the egg. Looks like Hay owes Homer some money (or maybe some credit). Don't know but my boss here swears Homer and Hay owe a bunch to Jones and Hogan too. Now we are going back.
Kev

Kevin,

There is more than a grain of truth in that - and a few others, very likely!

However, my Chicken/Egg reference was only "tongue in cheek" as it 'aint rocket science to look in a book and see when it was first published.

[kmmcnabb]

You are right about that.......wrote before looking. Felt kind of stupid afterwards but got over it. Still like both quite a bit. Waiting for the new edition of the yellow book and can't wait to see what has changed (if any) but plan to keep my current edition handy with my notes from here.

Kev

[noproblemos]

which alex Hay book are you referring to?
I couldn't find Hay's book called "The Manual of Golf"

I could only find 2 bookds by Hay that were close to that
1. The Mechanics of Golf
2. The Golf Manual

Which is the better book?

The Manual of Golf by Alex Hay is great too. It has some basics on clubs, etc which is old but his stuff on the set up, plane, swing, is very very good. Grip is standard grip and he discusses FLW/BRW specifically. I haven't gotten through the whole book yet (just got it Monday, 1 May) but it is worth a look too. I did pick up the other Hay books too and they are not worth it. Mostly basic stuff with little on swing, etc.

All in all, happy find. He stresses some very good TGM basics without saying TGM once. Neat. In the Manual of Golf he stresses to work on your swing in the order he prescribes to troubleshoot problems (order is grip, stance, ball position)......don't know the rest yet still reading.

Worth a look if you can get a good price.

Kev

[kmmcnabb]

The Hay books I like are the Mechanics of Golf (best), Tactics and Skills, and the Golf Manual (which is not too bad). Of the three, I like Mechanics of Golf and Golf manual very much. Golf school is a waste of time but I have that one too.

By the way all, I got an email from Kevin Michaels about the Mehlhorn book (I ordered one from him) and he said there is a DVD in the works about Mehlhorn if anyone else is interested. You can email him at km@kmgolf.com. No price on the DVD yet but he said a few more weeks and it should be done.

Might be worth a look.