Please, please, please tell us all why they did not fit. Please tell us if you went through a follow-up with your teacher. If they do not fit, private message me so maybe we can fix the situation. We want the clubs to work. Blanket statements that "they do not fit" puts the blame on HG. Like I stated originally, there is a relationship between you and your fitter/teacher. If he did not want to work with you, then I blame him. But if you are going with the opinion of another fitter or club repair person, then HG can not be held responsible. We want you to enjoy your clubs and your game.
My clubs did not fit because the guy gave me a little lesson so that I could hit what ever club he handed me. When I did a follow-up he gave me the same little lesson so that I could hit them again.
In order to play decent golf I would have had to hire this guy to follow me around the golf course. Understand that if I put my normal swing on any of these clubs I would be lucky to find the ball again. Block fade kept the ball on the golf course.
My reference to "standard" specs was simply to point out the difference between the two sets of clubs. As for the "experts" remarks...well, you should not have tried to make out that hg know more or do better work than anyone else. My clubs were junk.
Understand that I don't want to start one of those nasty forum wars here on Lynn's site. However, I feel duty bound to tell it like it is. hg uses testimonials to sell clubs...Well, this is my testimonial.
I've moved on from this episode in my golf but I would just like to say "Let The Buyer Beware".
Unfortunate, indeed.
I feel I have made my point and won't comment on this again.
My clubs did not fit because the guy gave me a little lesson so that I could hit what ever club he handed me. When I did a follow-up he gave me the same little lesson so that I could hit them again.
This is commonly referred to as a balance evaluation and is what HG fitters do to get the student to repeat an on-plane balanced motion.
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In order to play decent golf I would have had to hire this guy to follow me around the golf course. Understand that if I put my normal swing on any of these clubs I would be lucky to find the ball again. Block fade kept the ball on the golf course.
Sounds to me that the fitter was trying to use the clubs to get you to swing on plane better. It may "seem as if" that is what you were doing, but that is your feel. Mechanics produce and feel reproduces. You may be coming over the top or over plane because your clubs may have been to flat and an on-plane motion would make the ball go to the right.
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My reference to "standard" specs was simply to point out the difference between the two sets of clubs. As for the "experts" remarks...well, you should not have tried to make out that hg know more or do better work than anyone else. My clubs were junk.
I never tried to make out that HG knew more than anyone else, only defending what we do and the inovation that we brought to fitting. I only tried to explain that we use a different sent of specifications. As far as your clubs were junk, lets just agree that you were not happy with them. Our quality control and attention to detail is highly regarded by other companies as well.
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Understand that I don't want to start one of those nasty forum wars here on Lynn's site. However, I feel duty bound to tell it like it is. hg uses testimonials to sell clubs...Well, this is my testimonial.
No nastiness here, just trying to give a fair presentation of what HG does. There are many great teachers out there that may not be able to help you, but does that make them junky teachers.
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I've moved on from this episode in my golf but I would just like to say "Let The Buyer Beware".
An educated consumer is always the way to go. This thread is to educate and inform. I am not trying to change your views only to let others know that HG is not "junk". If someone had a bad experience with TGM they would say many bad things about the book. Would you not try to defend its merits as well?
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Unfortunate, indeed.
I feel I have made my point and won't comment on this again.
I appreciate your comments as it has helped shed light on fitting and teaching and how both can be misunderstood.
Sounds like you've got a legitmate beef, jpeck. You paid for something you obviously didn't get. But your beef is with the fitter, not the company. They can only build according to the specs they are given.
Years ago, I paid handsomely for a custom-built set of Titlelist irons. I was fitted by a competent PGA professional and the company was given accurate specs, but what I got was nothing close. At their expense, I completely re-worked that set with a local clubfitter. In that instance, I blamed Titleist.
I am digging this old thread up because I have just been fitted for Henry-Griffitts irons with what are, to conventional thinking, radical specs (2" over, 5* flat). I had been having some issues with my game and went to an area teacher who has helped me greatly. Into the third lesson, we started messing with some HG shafts and heads. A video comparison with my sticks revealed how bent over I was with my "standard" length shafts (37.75" 5 iron), and how much better my posture was with longer shafts. Anyway, I scheduled a fitting that resulted in a greatly improved ball flight, not to mention a physically more comfortable swing. I will report back with results/follow up in greater detail after I receive the irons and complete the follow up sessions along with any necessary tweaking. I have noticed a lot of controversy on various internet sites regarding HG clubs, but I am only interested in improvement, and don't give a damn about what clubs I use if they help me swing better. I have a lot of faith in my instructor (I won't name names at this time, but my instructor used to work for Peter Croker and is an old friend of Tommy Tomaselo, just to drop a few names ), who seems genuinely interested in my improvement. I hope my experience is helpful to others.
I have a lot of friends who are HG fitters down under so take this as a "I know both sides of the story" bit of input.
I spend so much time cutting HGs 2" overs down to a size that players can hit off grass an not a board its not funny. Everyone wants length so an extra bit of controllable clubhead speed is handy. The key word there is controllable. I see many players who can nail a club off a matt or lie board but have no chance in play of grass with +2". Most of those players are too embarrassed to go back to HG and ask for the chop as they have lost faith in not just the product but the fitting method too.
HG clubs and their fitting carts are magic. I even show the lads how to use a LM to prove some of their sales pitches but boy rather like TGM swing docs and 'the rest' there is a big difference in knowledge of real fitting. Answer is to find a TGM savy fitter be it an HG or any other fitting system
I have a lot of friends who are HG fitters down under so take this as a "I know both sides of the story" bit of input.
I spend so much time cutting HGs 2" overs down to a size that players can hit off grass an not a board its not funny. Everyone wants length so an extra bit of controllable clubhead speed is handy. The key word there is controllable. I see many players who can nail a club off a matt or lie board but have no chance in play of grass with +2". Most of those players are too embarrassed to go back to HG and ask for the chop as they have lost faith in not just the product but the fitting method too.
HG clubs and their fitting carts are magic. I even show the lads how to use a LM to prove some of their sales pitches but boy rather like TGM swing docs and 'the rest' there is a big difference in knowledge of real fitting. Answer is to find a TGM savy fitter be it an HG or any other fitting system
You make it sound like HG's "fitting method" is to fit everyone with longer clubs and that you can't play out of grass with 2" over. Please remember that the HG cart gives options that other manufacturers simply will not do. I have fit many players long and upright, short and flat, short and upright, long and flat, and yes even standard. Whatever it takes to make the student hit the ball better.
I appreciate your knowlege but I think that presenting doubt to someone who is obviously happy with his changed appearance and swing motion is wrong. The player made a point of of referencing his teacher's lineage and its TGM roots so why question the club. Have you seen him swing? Do you know his physical size and/or limitations? Why can't a player play in grass with +2"? Isn't a 5 iron 2 inches longer than a 9 iron?
Just like TGM, HG believes in options. I really wish that "standard" would go away and we could all deal with the real.
), who seems genuinely interested in my improvement. I hope my experience is helpful to others.
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