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Old 07-05-2006, 12:58 AM
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What's "under plane" mean?
Originally Posted by mp33
How do you correct getting too far under the plane in the downswing? I have a tendency to take the club out on the backswing and drop it to the inside coming down.

Is anyone familiar with this problem? How would you correct it?

The ball will go dead right and short.
I don't ask this with any agenda, or sarcasm- I'm serious when I say "What is under plane?"

I understand if you're off plane - i.e. the clubshaft doesn't point at the plane line. I also understand if you're making plane angle shifts to flatter planes during the swing. So is "under plane"- "off plane" or is it "a flatter plane than you set up for"- I'm not sure. Or is "under plane" a description of the feel- of coming into impact too much "inside out", or does it just describe when you come inside out and block a shot. Could use some help here- it may flush out some issues or ideas I haven't considered.
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Old 07-05-2006, 04:20 AM
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I think that the higher the handicap you are the more you should not have "hit the inside aft of the ball" plan. But rather try and put side spin on the ball with a uncocking left hand. See if you can make that ball go left. I will probably get shot for this advice, but if the club is too far inside already you are going to jam everything inside to hit the inside aft of the ball without releasing the club.
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Old 07-05-2006, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike O
I don't ask this with any agenda, or sarcasm- I'm serious when I say "What is under plane?"

I understand if you're off plane - i.e. the clubshaft doesn't point at the plane line. I also understand if you're making plane angle shifts to flatter planes during the swing. So is "under plane"- "off plane" or is it "a flatter plane than you set up for"- I'm not sure. Or is "under plane" a description of the feel- of coming into impact too much "inside out", or does it just describe when you come inside out and block a shot. Could use some help here- it may flush out some issues or ideas I haven't considered.
Thanks in advance.

Mike O.
We're talking about "underplane" when the clubshaft doesn't point at the plane line (instead it points outside of it). A shift to a flatter plane angle with the shaft still on-plane isn't that big of a problem, but being flat and off-plane is a big problem. You do come into impact feeling too much inside-out and are usually left hopelessly unable to control the clubface. What feels like you "driving to the inside aft quadrant of the ball" is in reality you dropping the clubshaft off-plane and driving to outside the plane line.

Thanks Mike; your thoughts would be much appreciated.
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Old 07-05-2006, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt
We're talking about "underplane" when the clubshaft doesn't point at the plane line (instead it points outside of it). A shift to a flatter plane angle with the shaft still on-plane isn't that big of a problem, but being flat and off-plane is a big problem. You do come into impact feeling too much inside-out and are usually left hopelessly unable to control the clubface. What feels like you "driving to the inside aft quadrant of the ball" is in reality you dropping the clubshaft off-plane and driving to outside the plane line.

Thanks Mike; your thoughts would be much appreciated.
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I've got the image now. Don't really like the term "under plane"- although if well defined as mentioned then no problem.

If I were to translate the same thing to a different description I would say that it's:

The flattening of the plane on the downswing while changing the plane line from square on the backswing to closed on the downswing. If you've got your "straight shot" grip to begin with and then change the plane line coming down to way right- essentially no way to square the blade without throwaway.

Although, this would be something that you would really want to check on video.

Usually, things in the golf movement come in pairs. If you've got one problem then you've got another to offset it. So if you've been coming over the top- you might also be blocking the shot to prevent a big pull. Now, for that person - coming down on plane without correcting the "ingrained block" would create an "under plane" feel and an "under plane" ball flight. So instead of trying to not come down "under plane" they would want to make sure while they were coming down that they allowed better rotation of the face. So case by case. Not saying in this last paragraph that you guys were not saying that this possibility existed, or that you were not aware of it, I'm just throwing it out there since it hadn't been explicited posted.

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