If you see Hinge Action -- the Rhythmic Roll of the #3 Power Accumulator from Impact to the end of the Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight position) -- as being automatically induced by the Physics of Rotation (Hitting or Swinging), then you see it as a Zone #2 (Power) Component.
If, on the other hand, you see Hinge Action as the veneer control applied by the Flat Left Wrist to individualize that Motion -- independent of the Motion itself -- into the three distinct applications of Clubface Control (Close Only, Layback Only and Simultaneous Close and Layback), then you see it as a Zone #3 (Purpose) Component.
One not-so-minor problem: If you see Hinge Action as being purely a function of the Physics of Rotation, then what do you do with Vertical Hinge Action (and its Clubface Layback Only)? It is neither the natural byproduct of Hitting (Muscularly-Powered Angled Hinging -- Simultaneous Clubface Close and Layback) or Swinging (Centrifugally-Powered Horizontal Hinging -- Clubface Closing Only). It is always, then, regardless of Lag Loading procedure, a "deliberate mechanical manipulation" (6-B-3-0). And that can only be Zone #3.
I suspect the debate will continue on this one, but suffice to say, per 2-S there is a valid argument for both zone 2 and/or zone 3 per Yoda above.
Sometimes it is helpful to remember that humans 'divide' and 'categorize' for perspective, yet often that very act of trying to organize and describe gets in the way of the 'whole picture'.
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What Hinge Action Is...And Is Not...In Homer's Own Words
Unfortunately, Homer Kelley can no longer answer our questions regarding the logic behind the move of Hinge Action from Zone #3 (the Hands Lane) in the first six editions to Zone #2 (the Arms Lane) in the 7th. However, his words live on in the recordings of his three Golf Stroke Engineering Master Classes conducted during 1981-1982. I have personally transcribed the direct quotes below to help us understand the rationale behind this radical shift.
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-- "Hinge action is the result of angular motion on an inclined plane."
-- "The hinge action is not a motion of the hands. It's a paddle[wheel] motion of the pivot and the arm swing, and it is the result of an angular motion...a circular motion...and it takes place on an inclined plane."
-- "Hinge action is not a wrist motion. It is an arm and pivot motion. The hand only is positioned [vertical to one of the three associated planes] and then takes on its arm and body rotating motion."
-- "The hinge action is not a hand motion, a hand action, or a hand anything except position. It is the position that has been set up to be vertical to one of the three basic planes."
-- "The thing is...the pivot and the arm motion produce the hinge action. It is not a hand motion except in the position in which you are maintaining it...vertical to an associated plane."
i would have to agree that it is zone#3,simply stating mr kelly beleived in a hand controlled pivot.if you put it in zone#2 then it becomes pivot controlled hands.correct me if i am wrong.always monitor the hands is what i have had beaten into my thick skull.and from a playing stand point i would also have to say zone #3
Unfortunately, Homer Kelley can no longer answer our questions regarding the logic behind the move of Hinge Action from Zone #3 (the Hands Lane) in the first six editions to Zone #2 (the Arms Lane) in the 7th. However, his words live on in the recordings of his three Golf Stroke Engineering Master Classes conducted during 1981-1982. I have personally transcribed the direct quotes below to help us understand the rationale behind this radical shift.
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-- "Hinge action is the result of angular motion on an inclined plane."
-- "The hinge action is not a motion of the hands. It's a paddle[wheel] motion of the pivot and the arm swing, and it is the result of an angular motion...a circular motion...and it takes place on an inclined plane."
-- "Hinge action is not a wrist motion. It is an arm and pivot motion. The hand only is positioned [vertical to one of the three associated planes] and then takes on its arm and body rotating motion."
-- "The hinge action is not a hand motion, a hand action, or a hand anything except position. It is the position that has been set up to be vertical to one of the three basic planes."
-- "The thing is...the pivot and the arm motion produce the hinge action. It is not a hand motion except in the position in which you are maintaining it...vertical to an associated plane."
I agree with Homer....when Chuck and Lynn first started their websites, I always talked about hinge action with Right arm motion and left wrist motion (but got blasted for it)....you control the hinges with the arms and monitor the exection of hinge through the hands, preferably the left wrist. It's still a hands controlled pivot.
Geezz, this makes for another good Tomasello video reference...again, I believe this proves that Tomasello was again teaching from the 7th edition (notes)....in the Australia video, when talking about the horizontal hinges, Tommy repeatly said horizontal hinging produced the most distance out of all three hinge actions. So, it's not surprising that hinge action has been incorporated into the POWER lane of the three lane highway, The "Arms Lane"...there is an element of power in the hinges.
Some really great lines by Homer on page 125 (7th Edition).
-So mastery of "Release Motions" (4-D-0) is essential, indispensable, mandatory and imperative.
-Good Golf is Power Golf...ya got to love that one.
-Remove all pressures against "Power First".
-Power techniques are Power Control.
-As "Power" is acquired, "Direction" will improve until Zone #3 becomes mostly "Finesse" control.
Wisdom in the true Yoda fashion.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 08-12-2006 at 09:19 AM.
so then, if i understand correctly in my thick thick noodle, the desired hinge action HH AH VH is programmed through 3 different planes associated through the desired hinge action, and the bod-arms-pivot must be able to reconcile the hand vertical too chosen plane for the correct motion? theres a mouthfull, i dont know if that makes sense.
I have always tried to 'work' my hands in a hinging motion back and down and through, gets flippy after impact, this could be why? Especially that at startdown, my goal is right shoulder along same line, no matter the hinge action, too the ball... Gonna blow my engine so i'll stop there.
Last edited by powerdraw : 08-12-2006 at 10:28 AM.
so then, if i understand correctly in my thick thick noodle, the desired hinge action HH AH VH is programmed through 3 different planes associated through the desired hinge action, and the bod-arms-pivot must be able to reconcile the hand vertical too chosen plane for the correct motion? theres a mouthfull, i dont know if that makes sense.
I have always tried to 'work' my hands in a hinging motion back and down and through, gets flippy after impact, this could be why? Especially that at startdown, my goal is right shoulder along same line, no matter the hinge action, too the ball... Gonna blow my engine so i'll stop there.
I think the same lightbulb just went off in my head, powerdraw. If I'm understand correctly the hands feel "quiet" in executing the 3 hinge actions properly; they just hang on.
I think the same lightbulb just went off in my head, powerdraw. If I'm understand correctly the hands feel "quiet" in executing the 3 hinge actions properly; they just hang on.
HH is automatic in an uninhibited swing but AH and VH do require manual intervention on our behalf.
HH is automatic in an uninhibited swing but AH and VH do require manual intervention on our behalf.
Horizontal Hinging is indeed the automatic result of the Swinger's Centrifugal Force Throw-Out Action. Thus, Angled Hinging requires the Swinger's "manual intervention."
Similarly, Angled Hinging is the automatic result of the Hitter's Muscular Thrust Drive-Out Action. And Horizontal Hinging requires the Hitter's manual intervention.
Vertical Hinging -- the Clubface staying Square to the Line in Layback-only mode -- is the natural byproduct of neither Swinging nor Hitting. As such, it is always a deliberate, mechanical manipulation.
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