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Old 09-29-2006, 11:36 PM
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SPlain yourself Lagster...What does identical and synchronus with the #3 Roll mean?
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I believe what this means is... the speed(RPM) of the TURNING TORSO, and speed of the ROLL of the #3 Accumulator must match up to maintain #3 Accumulator Rhythm.

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Old 09-30-2006, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by lagster
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I believe what this means is... the speed(RPM) of the TURNING TORSO, and speed of the ROLL of the #3 Accumulator must match up to maintain #3 Accumulator Rhythm.

What do you think?
I would agree, this is something i had to learn when i learned how to "spin the flywheel." in the begining i would keep haning shots our to the right or just plain hook them because i didn't have the right amount of roll for the pivot speed i was producing. This led to throwaway and inconsistent alignments.

How to do both in sync, everything was better again
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Old 09-30-2006, 03:32 PM
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Can you swing a flail too fast?

As long as its always accelerating,

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Old 09-30-2006, 06:01 PM
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Thanks for all your posts guys, lot’s of valuable info. But I can’t resist one more question…

I heard a lot of posts mention SUSTAINING the lag pressure and it occurred to me i'm not sure on what this entails. Specifically why can't you sustain the lag when you've overloaded.

I do try to think about the answers to my questions before I ask them. So below are some of my thoughts just to give you guys an idea of where i'm at.

To sustain lag you need acceleration of hands. Over acceleration can occur when you get to your maximum hand speed too early. For swingers hand speed is dependent on pivot speed. Does this mean our pivot has to accelerate? How does this relate to the #4 accumulator and the left arm blast off, as this must provide a boost in hand speed. But if the pivot reaches maximum pivot speed too early could this cause an early release of 4th accumulator and thus over acceleration?

Is this complete baloney or am I actually getting somewhere.

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Old 10-01-2006, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by danny_shank
Thanks for all your posts guys, lot’s of valuable info. But I can’t resist one more question…

I heard a lot of posts mention SUSTAINING the lag pressure and it occurred to me i'm not sure on what this entails. Specifically why can't you sustain the lag when you've overloaded.

I do try to think about the answers to my questions before I ask them. So below are some of my thoughts just to give you guys an idea of where i'm at.

To sustain lag you need acceleration of hands. Over acceleration can occur when you get to your maximum hand speed too early. For swingers hand speed is dependent on pivot speed. Does this mean our pivot has to accelerate? How does this relate to the #4 accumulator and the left arm blast off, as this must provide a boost in hand speed. But if the pivot reaches maximum pivot speed too early could this cause an early release of 4th accumulator and thus over acceleration?

Is this complete baloney or am I actually getting somewhere.

Cheers,

Danny
Yes sir. You are getting somewhere. Remember it is SUSTAIN the Lag not INCREASE the Lag. So what the heck does that mean? Well . . . overacceleration is the menace that stalks all Lag and Drag. Why? Because if you load too hard you can't MAINTAIN that level of Pressure Point Pressure and you HAVE TO THROW IT AWAY. Deliberate and heavy . . . drag the wet mop. But with swinging you will not feel the pressure as strongly so you need to be really intune to the message your pressure points are sending.

Experiment with this . . . load #4 HARD and see how it works out. Then back it off. Remember you are ALLOWING CF to work. You don't want to stifle it. As your left arm and the club are going back make a quick hip turn to overcome their inertia and then just keep turning. Not harder. Just keep going. Let it happen. Like when you really bust it when you're laying up. You are allowing CF to release your accumulators with out overloading.

Experiment with Float Loading and the Lagging Rightfore Arm take away. Mr. K said it was almost impossible to throw it when you float.
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Old 10-01-2006, 09:49 PM
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Yes sir. You are getting somewhere. Remember it is SUSTAIN the Lag not INCREASE the Lag. So what the heck does that mean? Well . . . overacceleration is the menace that stalks all Lag and Drag. Why? Because if you load too hard you can't MAINTAIN that level of Pressure Point Pressure and you HAVE TO THROW IT AWAY. Deliberate and heavy . . . drag the wet mop. But with swinging you will not feel the pressure as strongly so you need to be really intune to the message your pressure points are sending.

Experiment with this . . . load #4 HARD and see how it works out. Then back it off. Remember you are ALLOWING CF to work. You don't want to stifle it. As your left arm and the club are going back make a quick hip turn to overcome their inertia and then just keep turning. Not harder. Just keep going. Let it happen. Like when you really bust it when you're laying up. You are allowing CF to release your accumulators with out overloading.

Experiment with Float Loading and the Lagging Rightfore Arm take away. Mr. K said it was almost impossible to throw it when you float.
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So... a good Drill or even Procedure would be to LAG IT BACK(with the Lagging Right Forearm Takeaway), and as it is still going back... PULL it down, via THE HIP ACTION, AND RIGHT SHOULDER THROW. DRAG IT BACK, AND BEFORE IT STOPS...PULL IT DOWN. (A SWINGING PROCEDURE)

What do you think?
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Old 10-01-2006, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by lagster
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So... a good Drill or even Procedure would be to LAG IT BACK(with the Lagging Right Forearm Takeaway), and as it is still going back... PULL it down, via THE HIP ACTION, AND RIGHT SHOULDER THROW. DRAG IT BACK, AND BEFORE IT STOPS...PULL IT DOWN. (A SWINGING PROCEDURE)

What do you think?
Yes sir. BUT remember . . . Per 10-19-B . . . "Float Loading" also describes this procedure - especially the sensation, because the Cocking motion should not be at all sharp, but gentle, or even lazy.

Which takes us right back full circle to OVERLOADING.
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