I was VERY disappointed watching Martin Hall on TGC the other night. He quotes Homer’s line about the ball that goes into the water as acting lawful and doesn’t mention the source- HOMER KELLEY. And with much TGM throughout the show and after demonstrating a left hand swivel movement with the young Pressel credits Betholy and Penick- not that either one doesn’t “catch rain drops” but… where was Kelley? Hall rents Ben Doyle tapes by the bushel and he has attended one of Lynn’s workshops. He knows his TGM. Seems that Homer vis book and Blake via internet are the un-credited Well of Information.
Also while my TGM feathers are ruffled, I saw Mark Evershed on a video clip read from one of his office walls a rather large display of a quote about Educated Hands- it was a reproduction of a page from Homer’s 6th Edition. Of course he didn’t give credit to the source. He did give credit to the other wall- a copy of a page from Hogan’s book.
For too long TGM and Homer Kelley have been kept close to the vest of teaching pros as if it is their private source. And let no one know who had the original thought.
It doesn’t surprise me that, Lynn Blake, who is teaching what Homer taught him, is now the “Open Source” for the PGA.
Mike, FWIW, in one of Martin Hall's previous episodes, he DID name Homer and The Golfing Machine during his lesson, giving him credit for what he was teaching in that lesson. I was quite surprised that the Golf Channel even let him mention Homer's name.
While we all like to receive credit where credit is due, it is more important to get proper instruction to the general golfing public (us choppers and foot sloggers). There are enough glory seekers out there. I really appreciate Lynn's generosity in sharing his knowledge without concern for credit/glory.
Mother Teresa once said, "There are two kinds of people-- those who get things done, and those who take credit for it.
I've read Evershed giving credit to Homer and TGM. Can you trademark a drill? If you can, then maybe that's the route Lynn should go if he feels he's getting shafted.
I've read Evershed giving credit to Homer and TGM. Can you trademark a drill? If you can, then maybe that's the route Lynn should go if he feels he's getting shafted.
I don't think Lynn feels he is getting shafted. That was not the point in my post. As Yoda, Lynn is trying to get Homer's word out to the public- one of the last few that had a chance to learn from Mr. Kelley.
I do feel that too many people see the TGM Book as a hidden treasure, a private source, and don't properly give credit to the Homer.
I work in a business where source is everything and I just feel a near quote should be identified.
I work in a business where source is everything and I just feel a near quote should be identified.
Agree completely, colleges kick people out for not citing sources.
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).
The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
1. I don't believe many golf instructors/coaches, etc actually quote or attempt to quote verbatim. Therefore I am not sure they are obligated or required to name sources.
2. Most of the time golf instructors/coaches, etc reference another instructor, it seem to me that they are doing it to gain creditability in what they saying themselves.
3. With all the documentation in existence in golf and all the exposure one recieves, often it is multiple sources that the information is from as well as only the parts that they have adopted usually through testing. In this process they merge it into what they already have.
Just something for others to think about.
As for Yoda's works and those who have put the countless hours in on this board as well as off, doing vid clips, etc. I can only say that it amazing what is so freely given. The dowels were unique IMO, in fact the first time I was introduce to them, I thought this was a bit different. I had before Yoda used one for the practice station, alignment, but had no idea the benefits that could be had from them. Beyond the plane line alignment, we discover a whole new world of alignments and drills that allow you to build a solid G.O.L.F stroke.
Heck Yoda has these laying around in everyroom in house, well except the bathroom.
Surfing a number of golf sites, IMO this the tops when it comes to golf knowledge and instruction.
1. I don't believe many golf instructors/coaches, etc actually quote or attempt to quote verbatim. Therefore I am not sure they are obligated or required to name sources.
2. Most of the time golf instructors/coaches, etc reference another instructor, it seem to me that they are doing it to gain creditability in what they saying themselves.
3. With all the documentation in existence in golf and all the exposure one recieves, often it is multiple sources that the information is from as well as only the parts that they have adopted usually through testing. In this process they merge it into what they already have.
Just something for others to think about.
Getting to be a top dog, a known top 100 instructor is cut throat for some. I think it would suck big time to see some one pop up on Academy Live with dowels and worked the Incline Plane and Impact Fix or if they started to speak specific TGM concepts and receive credit as if it was their work. It will happen.
Hall recited almost verbatim the lawful obedience of a struck ball that veered into the water that Homer wrote about. No biggie here but as I said- the book seems to be a source that many instructors think nobody else knows of.
And Evershed papered one of his walls with an eight foot page from The Golfing Machine and read it directly. No problem given Hogan credit when he stepped over to that papered wall from Hogan’s book. Why not Homer? I know Evershed respects the guy but he seems to hide him from view.
Obscurity is not in the best interest of TGM. It has come a long way since the early internet forums, 8 or 9n yrs ago. The internet and TGM are perfect together.
[Martin Hall] knows his TGM. Seems that Homer vis book and Blake via internet are the un-credited Well of Information.
Martin Hall, GSEM, is a true professional doing an outstanding job educating all who would listen on The Golf Channel, in his Golf Magazine articles and in his books for the PGA TOUR. He is an Instructor's Instructor, and I am proud to know him.
At the same time, he has not learned from me just "via the Internet."
He was my student for three days at my 'comeback' Workshop...
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