Basic Motion Questions

[KnighT]

I am just thinking and developing ideas. I need guys like you, Martee, to help me refine. This is exactly what I was hoping for, and why I post. For help because I sure need it.

Here it is modified: Basic motion swinging - Use accumulator #4 to move pressure points #2 and #3 with the law of the flail. Basic motion hitting - Use accumulator #1 to move pressure points #2 and #3 with the law of the flail. Then the pressure points move the golf club.
The real key (for me) is no hand accumulators. Just allow the arm power accumulators to move the pressure points.

It is just alot different for me than banging balls (before I found The Golfing Machine). Trying to just 'find it' hoping that improvement would gradually come. This is similar to the tournament chess player who is able to play well even though he is not utilizing a plan during his matches. Sure there was some improvement, but that would tend to slow and hit big brick walls often.

This stuff is probably already ingrained into your head...and swing, but for me it is just all starting to come together.

I think the big thing for me is that I can use the law of the flail to apply good leverage with any length stroke. I just never got it like that before. I was unable to allow the primary lever assembly flail at stage 1. Now I can. I know many of you probably say 'yeah, so what', but for me, and maybe some other members (who have not figured this out) this is pretty big stuff. And I like it alot.

[Mike O]

I am just thinking and developing ideas. I need guys like you, Martee, to help me refine. This is exactly what I was hoping for, and why I post. For help because I sure need it.

Here it is modified: Basic motion swinging - Use accumulator #4 to move pressure points #2 and #3 with the law of the flail. Basic motion hitting - Use accumulator #1 to move pressure points #2 and #3 with the law of the flail. Then the pressure points move the golf club.
The real key (for me) is no hand accumulators. Just allow the arm power accumulators to move the pressure points.

It is just alot different for me than banging balls (before I found The Golfing Machine). Trying to just 'find it' hoping that improvement would gradually come. This is similar to the tournament chess player who is able to play well even though he is not utilizing a plan during his matches. Sure there was some improvement, but that would tend to slow and hit big brick walls often.

This stuff is probably already ingrained into your head...and swing, but for me it is just all starting to come together.

I think the big thing for me is that I can use the law of the flail to apply good leverage with any length stroke. I just never got it like that before. I was unable to allow the primary lever assembly flail at stage 1. Now I can. I know many of you probably say 'yeah, so what', but for me, and maybe some other members (who have not figured this out) this is pretty big stuff. And I like it alot.

Very sharp Knight! Good Stuff!

Just one question- saw your Quote at the bottom of your post- Does Michael Hebron teach golf?

[kebeal]

KnightT,

sorry this is way off topic, but I too used to play some tournament chess. I quit some time ago (8 years I think) and recently decided to start playing casually again. I bought Silmans book again (owned it years ago) in fact it currently sits on my nightstand just beneth TGM. It's just nice to see another chess loving golfing machine junkie out there. When I quit my rating was in the high 1400's, the strongest player I ever beat was rated around 1700. Unfortuantly playing chess is like golf; you have to practice to keep sharp and I am only a shadow of my former self. Just curious if you are/were rated?

[bantamben1]

isnt hebron that teacher that is like a 30 handicaper

[Mike O]

isnt hebron that teacher that is like a 30 handicaper

Aaron, are you joking around here! You were probably thinking of MY HANDICAP! Sandbagger!

[Trane]

It sounds like we are in the exact same boat, only you have maybe been it in longer than me. This type of dialog can really help the incubation process out. Trust me its very meaningful, and I can't tell you ALL...how much its appreciated!!

I like what you posted Knight very much. Your hitting and swinging basic motion idea...its sounds so logical. I havn't read the Law of the Flail yet, but saw it on Tommy's video. This reading will be tonight's homework.

Martee, for me & I might have it totalling wrong here, but if I'm swinging I have to use the accumalator #1 to take the club back aka (right forearm tracing & right forearm fanning). So, I start all of my backstrokes with my right & for hitting send the right back down, & for swinging swing with the left (but don't you still thrust with the right in swinging?).

KnighT, when swinging a basic motion, are you taking the power package back with the left? and back down with the left? (accumlator #4)

I'm getting closer on this basic motion stuff. By the way guys, I think if you practice this in your house (don't break anything
, you will have a smoother, easier, more rhythmic stroke...that is if you don't your wife or mom or significant other to throw the yellow book in the recycle bend!!!!

[Mike O]

Martee, for me & I might have it totalling wrong here, but if I'm swinging I have to use the accumalator #1 to take the club back aka (right forearm tracing & right forearm fanning). So, I start all of my backstrokes with my right & for hitting send the right back down, & for swinging swing with the left (but don't you still thrust with the right in swinging?).

KnighT, when swinging a basic motion, are you taking the power package back with the left? and back down with the left? (accumlator #4)

Trane,
Procedurally you're always taking the hands and the feel of the club (lag) back and through. What accumulators you use and how you use them is a separate issue. What arm you use is also a separate issue- and you really don't use arms to take it back or down in a procedural sense. Important distinctions to make.

[Trane]

I thought Accum #4 is the left arm/shoulder & if I'm reading it correctly, it is one of the 22 components of the basic motion curriculum. There is no pivot, no shoulder turn, so the way I read it you have to take the lag (maintaining the pressure points) back towards the ball and down plane from the ball with either the #1 or #4 accumulator. I sure do hope I don't have this messed up or I will have to reincubate some stuff. Let me know guys...TY

[psheehan]

isnt hebron that teacher that is like a 30 handicaper

Actually you may be confusing Hibbard with Hebron.... Hebron is, I believe, TGM based and was a fair player.