But humans aren't machines....and Homer's machine looks nothing like a human.
It's theoretical man.....I mean.....it's all logical really...
1L: "The Post may turn (Pivot) but does not "sway" or "bob."
Very logical in theory (esp. for a machine)....but theory none the less.
I know it's Homer etc. etc.....but it's theory...what can I say.
From Columbia Encyclopedia : "Machine, any arrangement of stationary and moving mechanical parts used to perform some useful work or a specialized task"
Humans ARE machines.
Gravity is another theory, but accepted as fact.
At the end of the day we either accept a theory as fact-like gravity-or deny it because the theory doesn't seem to fit the evidence we observe i.e. when I try this I don't seem to hit the ball as well as this other way.
The preface of the book is the heart of it all, IMO. I have accepted the idea that for human shaped golfers, there is only one golf stroke, period. It may not work best for ME, but that doesn't contradict the idea.
Uncompensated, ideal, precision,-like PING Man. It's not debateable.
The preface of the book is the heart of it all, IMO. I have accepted the idea that for human shaped golfers, there is only one golf stroke, period. It may not work best for ME, but that doesn't contradict the idea.
But it must "work" for you, Sonic. That's because the "One Stroke" described in The Preface refers to its Geometry, i.e, the relationship of the Circle (Clubhead Orbit / 2-N-0) to the Plane Line.
Happily, the Stroke Pattern used to accomplish that essential Geometry is entirely the player's option. And here the choices are virtually unlimited.
But it must "work" for you, Sonic. That's because the "One Stroke" described in The Preface refers to its Geometry, i.e, the relationship of the Circle (Clubhead Orbit / 2-N-0) to the Plane Line.
Happily, the Stroke Pattern used to accomplish that essential Geometry is entirely the player's option. And here the choices are virtually unlimited.
Thanks for clarifying Yoda. I think what I meant to convey was that Homer's preference (wrt the pivot centre) for accomplishing that geometry would be a centered head that swivels but does not sway nor bob. Now I may not be able to pull that off physically but nonetheless,,, its the preference. Make sense?
From Columbia Encyclopedia : "Machine, any arrangement of stationary and moving mechanical parts used to perform some useful work or a specialized task"
Humans ARE machines.
O c'mon man....in the real world no one would call a human a machine in the same way as they would call a dirt bike a machine...
Or we could keep arguing semantics......c'mon now...
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Gravity is another theory, but accepted as fact.
Yes it is.....that doesn't mean all theories are fact though.
And besides.....golf swings are unique....
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The preface of the book is the heart of it all, IMO. I have accepted the idea that for human shaped golfers, there is only one golf stroke, period. It may not work best for ME, but that doesn't contradict the idea.
Yayaya.....but Homer obviously didn't mean it that way or else we would have:
"The Golfing Machine....chapters 7 and 10......24 Components with 24 Absolutes...and no Variations."
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Uncompensated, ideal, precision,-like PING Man. It's not debateable.
K so we have a few pics posted of various players....
All with different Strokes BTW....
I don't know EXACTLY where these people's spines are so I would only be guessing...
Snead's could very well be where you've drawn it...
Although this is only one picture of him taking one shot.....and also only one player throughout a mass history of great players....if you're right tho it would prove that it CAN work for people.....I know that already tho....it wouldn't be a problem with me.
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To me, I think your spine (the one beside Snead is you right Mathew?) is more to the right than where you've drawn it tho...you can see the indent in your back......no?
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Adam Scott....I dunno.....isn't that pic the one that's edited from the one where he was hitting on an upslope?
Regardless, to me, his head is slightly to the right of the red line (given, only a small amount...to me)...and as for his spine....I dunno lots about spines....but that doesn't look right to me. (where you've drawn it) Anyway tho I'm no expert on spines and this picture may not be a good one to analyze anyway.
And....regardless of all THAT....I don't think Scott is a guy who keeps his head Stationary anyway (and I don't think keeps it in the center of his feet either)....need more pictures.
Maybe if we found pics of him with a short iron it would show more of a "tripod".....maybe....
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Adam Scott....I dunno.....isn't that pic the one that's edited from the one where he was hitting on an upslope?
Regardless, to me, his head is slightly to the right of the red line (given, only a small amount...to me)
Hey birdie_man,
It looks like Adam is hitting a tee shot so he is not likely contending with an upslope. The head seems to be more rotated than laterally away from the center-line.
What is Homer's view on rotating the head? Necessary? Helpful? Adds another variable? (this question is posed to anyone)
Matt
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).
The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
"The [Stationary] Post [player's Head] can turn (pivot) but it does not Sway or Bob."
Thank you very much Yoda!
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).
The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
It looks like Adam is hitting a tee shot so he is not likely contending with an upslope. The head seems to be more rotated than laterally away from the center-line.
What is Homer's view on rotating the head? Necessary? Helpful? Adds another variable? (this question is posed to anyone)
Matt
NM my bad....
I thought it was a pic that was edited from GDigest's website but I just checked and it's the same on their website.
I dunno Homer's view on rotating the head but as far as I know everyone does it.
As far as how much this affects how someone's pivot looks...I don't know.
I dunno Homer's view on rotating the head but as far as I know everyone does it.
Before Yoda clarified above I thought stationary head meant that one should not rotate it. Most golfers would likely have extreme difficulty with a head that does not turn whatsoever on the backswing.
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"In my experience, if you stay with the essentials you WILL build a repeatable swing undoubtedly. If you can master the Imperatives you have a champion" (Vikram).
The reason you can't sustain the lag is because you are so eager to make the club move fast (a reaction to the intent of "hitting it far"). So on a full shot you throw it away too early, which doesn't happen for your short chip. (bts)
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