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Old 11-19-2006, 01:49 AM
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Old 11-19-2006, 02:17 AM
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I have often wondered where Tom Tomasello came up with the comments in his 1991 Golf Illustrated interview where he says...

Tomasello: Yes. The delayed hit is merely keeping the right wrist bent through impact. All that stuff about leading the downswing with a lateral move of the lower body, driving the hips and legs toward the target to retain power--it's all terribly wrong! It seems to be what's happening, but it's not really what happens in the most efficient, centifugal-force swing there is no forward motion by any part of the body. There are just the two "force vectors" I've described.

To say "leading the downswing with a lateral move of the lower body, driving the hips and legs toward the target to retain power--it's all terribly wrong!" That's a pretty bold statement...however, I was reading the seventh edition over the weekend and discovered the last paragraph of 2-N-O had been revised...after reading this section I'm starting to understand where the comments from Tomasello may have come from...

Last paragraph of 2-N-O.

Proper Clubhead control is dependent on coordinationg the complete Hip Turn with the selected Right Elbow Position (10-3), Motion (6-B-1), and Path (7-3) to avoid collisions as well as for Balance and Axis Tilt. (See 7-15.) To accomplish both the Backstroke and Downstroke must be executed as 7-3, 10-3 and 10-5-0 discuss that procedure."

After listening to my private lesson tapes with Tomasello over the last few months, I have come to the conclusion that in no way was Tomasello trying to reinvent TGM. It's interesting that the above statement from Homer references 7-3....Magic of the Right Forearm???

DG

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Old 11-19-2006, 03:00 AM
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I have often wondered where Tom Tomasello came up with the comments in his 1991 Golf Illustrated interview where he says...

Tomasello: Yes. The delayed hit is merely keeping the right wrist bent through impact. All that stuff about leading the downswing with a lateral move of the lower body, driving the hips and legs toward the target to retain power--it's all terribly wrong! It seems to be what's happening, but it's not really what happens in the most efficient, centifugal-force swing there is no forward motion by any part of the body. There are just the two "force vectors" I've described.

To say "leading the downswing with a lateral move of the lower body, driving the hips and legs toward the target to retain power--it's all terribly wrong!" That's a pretty bold statement...however, I was reading the seventh edition over the weekend and discovered the last paragraph of 2-N-O had been revised...after reading this section I'm starting to understand where the comments from Tomasello may have come from...

Last paragraph of 2-N-O.

Proper Clubhead control is dependent on coordinationg the complete Hip Turn with the selected Right Elbow Position (10-3), Motion (6-B-1), and Path (7-3) to avoid collisions as well as for Balance and Axis Tilt. (See 7-15.) To accomplish both the Backstroke and Downstroke must be executed as 7-3, 10-3 and 10-5-0 discuss that procedure."

After listening to my private lesson tapes with Tomasello over the last few months, I have come to the conclusion that in no way was Tomasello trying to reinvent TGM. It's interesting that the above statement from Homer references 7-3....Magic of the Right Forearm???

DG
All I know is whenever my swing starts to go sideways all I need to do is go back and view Tommy T's vids and get out my short training club. Magic of the Right Forearm, 1 to 2, 2 to 3 etc. Throw in a some Mark Evershed ("Swing left and get everything else for free") and I'm back. Put your mind in your hands. Sequence the arms. Bent right wrist, horizontal hinge, finish swivel. It's all there. You don't have to worry about sliding, turning, weight shift etc. It's a beautiful thing!

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Old 11-19-2006, 11:15 AM
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Is TT's procedure of initiating the downswing by bringing the arms/hands down from the top and reconnecting the right elbow to the side (if you take your hands back beyond right shoulder height) referenced in the Yellow Book. I believe he recommends this move as the 1st one in the transition from backswing to downswing while staying fully turned.
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Old 11-19-2006, 11:27 AM
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Is TT's procedure of initiating the downswing by bringing the arms/hands down from the top and reconnecting the right elbow to the side (if you take your hands back beyond right shoulder height) referenced in the Yellow Book. I believe he recommends this move as the 1st one in the transition from backswing to downswing while staying fully turned.
When I asked Tomasello about where in the book does it say to start the downswing with the right forearm. His response was 7-3 the Magic of the Right Forearm. Watch the two videos I referenced earlier in this thread. Chapter series video 1 and Letter series video 2. Tommy references the Magic of the Right Forearm at the end of Letter series video 2. In Letter video 2 when Tommy says you do it with your hands, reference section 5-0 where Homer says "Learn to SWING THE HANDS, MONITOR THE HANDS".

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Old 11-20-2006, 04:49 PM
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When I asked Tomasello about where in the book does it say to start the downswing with the right forearm. His response was 7-3 the Magic of the Right Forearm. Watch the two videos I referenced earlier in this thread. Chapter series video 1 and Letter series video 2. Tommy references the Magic of the Right Forearm at the end of Letter series video 2. In Letter video 2 when Tommy says you do it with your hands, reference section 5-0 where Homer says "Learn to SWING THE HANDS, MONITOR THE HANDS".

DG
I think Letter video 2 is the best video in under standing the magic of the right forearm. If you do just as Tom says it’s magic.

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I still haven't reconciled the differences between the Australian tapes and the video letters. My swing is based off of the video letters.
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All I know is whenever my swing starts to go sideways all I need to do is go back and view Tommy T's vids and get out my short training club. Magic of the Right Forearm, 1 to 2, 2 to 3 etc. Throw in a some Mark Evershed ("Swing left and get everything else for free") and I'm back. Put your mind in your hands. Sequence the arms. Bent right wrist, horizontal hinge, finish swivel. It's all there. You don't have to worry about sliding, turning, weight shift etc. It's a beautiful thing!

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