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Old 11-22-2006, 12:43 PM
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Hot Rodding the TT pattern.
Is a bent left wrist at the top of the back swing detrimental to this pattern? I seem to have more clubhead speed and a tighter swing with a bent left wrist. I've only tried this in the backyard with plastic balls.
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Old 11-22-2006, 10:06 PM
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Grip Variation?
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Is a bent left wrist at the top of the back swing detrimental to this pattern? I seem to have more clubhead speed and a tighter swing with a bent left wrist. I've only tried this in the backyard with plastic balls.
What Grip Type are you using?
A 10-2-D perhaps?
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Old 11-25-2006, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by comdpa
What Grip Type are you using?
A 10-2-D perhaps?
I do not use a 10-2-d grip. My grip is very neutral and can be mistaken for weak.

I'm no longer experimenting with a bent left wrist; Unfortunately, clubhead speed doesn't always equal to club face control.
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Old 11-27-2006, 12:37 AM
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Hi guys,

I have been trying to learn TT's swing, apparently I come to the conclusion that there are three components in the downswing,

(a) a 'pulling the arrow from the quiver' move with the right hand - connects the right elbow to the hip and ensure the right shoulder moves downplane. Obviously, it also reverses the direction of the clubhead;

(b) a karate chop action - as shown in the video series;

(c) a swivel and hit action through the ball - controversial move but I think it helps ensures squaring the clubface.

In TT's Chapter on Power, he showed a move by swinging a stick with his right hand, I dunno if this is right arm swing or not. But what I seem to feel is that if (a) is missing, the power is all gone. So although TT describes the first downswing move as merely connecting the elbow to the hip (move 4 to 5 , I think), it is actually a pulling action with the right hand, move (a). If this first pulling action is gone, so does the power of the right hand swinging action as demostrated by TT.

Am I on the right track? Really appreciate any help to understand TT's methods.

cheers,

daniel
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Old 11-27-2006, 03:13 AM
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Daniel,

All I do is turn it, lift it, and whip it.
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Old 11-27-2006, 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by daniell
Hi guys,

I have been trying to learn TT's swing, apparently I come to the conclusion that there are three components in the downswing,

(a) a 'pulling the arrow from the quiver' move with the right hand - connects the right elbow to the hip and ensure the right shoulder moves downplane. Obviously, it also reverses the direction of the clubhead;

(b) a karate chop action - as shown in the video series;

(c) a swivel and hit action through the ball - controversial move but I think it helps ensures squaring the clubface.

In TT's Chapter on Power, he showed a move by swinging a stick with his right hand, I dunno if this is right arm swing or not. But what I seem to feel is that if (a) is missing, the power is all gone. So although TT describes the first downswing move as merely connecting the elbow to the hip (move 4 to 5 , I think), it is actually a pulling action with the right hand, move (a). If this first pulling action is gone, so does the power of the right hand swinging action as demostrated by TT.

Am I on the right track? Really appreciate any help to understand TT's methods.

cheers,

daniel

As Tomasello said in my three day school the pivot "shuts the door" or what squares the clubface...no controversial move in the swing.


Right forearm/elbow "Whips It" and the hips or specifically the left hip "Zips It". Whip it and Zip it...Left Hip is responding to the action of the right forearm or the Magic of the Right Forearm...Hit some really awesome drives with this swing yesterday...long and straight as Tommy said....yeeee hawwwww.

A excellent drill for getting the feel of the downswing is the extensor drill that Tomasello uses in the Australia video. It's the one where he doesn't use a club....Tommy puts his right hand on his left wrist...do that drill and I guarantee you get the proper feel of the downswing using the right forearm to start the downswing....you will discover the first move is down. Try to go out with the right forearm with this drill and you will instantly feel how you go off plane. This drill is so simplistic yet incredibly valueable.

Do two sets of this drill....the extensor action drill without a club five times and then put a club in your hands and do the drill five times. Do it daily.

DG

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Old 11-28-2006, 12:10 AM
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Hi ChangeMySwing and DG,

Thanks. Think I am getting the hang of it. So it's "Turn it, Lift it, Whip it and Zip it"..

If I do this pulling action with the right hand, my middle section of the forth right hand finger is a bit sore. I always wonder why Tiger got a bandage on his middle section of his middle right hand finger. Perhaps also due to this pulling action.

I think to complete my swing, i need a good takeaway. It just feels very unnatural at the moment.

Thanks for the replies and drills.

cheers,

daniel
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