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Old 12-04-2006, 03:27 AM
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Jerome,

No, I have never tied the band to the ceiling.

Research has shown that the body only contributes 10% of power to the golf swing, whereas the speed of the hands and their actions contribute 90% of power.

Further “transferring” your weight from the back foot to the front foot creates only 2mph of body speed – which only increases clubhead speed if your timing is inch perfect.

In exercising for golf my focus is always on the forearms. This practice was further given endorsement by no less than the 2005 REMAX Long Drive Champ, Sean Fister, when he came to visit in September.

His words to me were: "I don't train anything above the elbow joint. Jack Nicklaus said that I have the fastest hand speed of anyone he has ever seen."



Look at the following attached.


This is a very clear view of the anatomy of the forearm. The most important muscles I feel are those that help cock and uncock the wrists and those that help pronate and supinate.
Work on those

I did these exercises plus master the Snap Release 10-24-E only in April of this year and the results have been very very satisfactory.
Indeed the muscles you pointed out would cock and uncock the wrists and pronate and supinate. Although muscles of the upper arm would also help in pronation and supination of the forearm- so if you were trying to strengthen those- then you would want to also strengthen the upper arm muscles. However, none of the muscles that you described would move the hands faster through space. So to me, Sean's quote is just another quote that doesn't make any sense or is very unclear.

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Old 12-04-2006, 04:47 AM
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Old 12-04-2006, 06:09 AM
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Indeed the muscles you pointed out would cock and uncock the wrists and pronate and supinate. Although muscles of the upper arm would also help in pronation and supination of the forearm- so if you were trying to strengthen those- then you would want to also strengthen the upper arm muscles. However, none of the muscles that you described would move the hands faster through space. So to me, Sean's quote is just another quote that doesn't make any sense or is very unclear.
Sorry Mike,

When he related Jack Nicklaus' compliment, he was uncocking and rolling his hands - very quickly.

To him , handspeed was the sequenced release of the swinger - uncock and roll.
That said, I agree with you on the role of the upper arm but I still do not completely understand its role in producing clubheadspeed thus have not began isolating them in training yet. I will be most keen to share once I reach a conclusion.

One thing that stuck in my mind about Sean was the size of his Extensor carpi radialis longus and his Pronator teres. They resembled sausages.
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Old 12-04-2006, 08:23 AM
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Old 12-04-2006, 01:21 PM
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Sorry Mike,

When he related Jack Nicklaus' compliment, he was uncocking and rolling his hands - very quickly.

To him , handspeed was the sequenced release of the swinger - uncock and roll.
That said, I agree with you on the role of the upper arm but I still do not completely understand its role in producing clubheadspeed thus have not began isolating them in training yet. I will be most keen to share once I reach a conclusion.

One thing that stuck in my mind about Sean was the size of his Extensor carpi radialis longus and his Pronator teres. They resembled sausages.
There is a rhythm to centrifugal force- trying to make it go faster really isn't a viable option. Training "just" the muscles below the elbow- doesn't make any sense at all. Finally, could you identify the research that says the body only provides 10% and also that the transferring of the weight only 2% because both of those "facts" are much like training the muscles just below the elbow- they don't take into account the entire context of the movement. Anotherwords- if I didn't transfer my weight and hit off my back foot- I really wouldn't lose any power?
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There is a rhythm to centrifugal force- trying to make it go faster really isn't a viable option. Training "just" the muscles below the elbow- doesn't make any sense at all. Finally, could you identify the research that says the body only provides 10% and also that the transferring of the weight only 2% because both of those "facts" are much like training the muscles just below the elbow- they don't take into account the entire context of the movement. Anotherwords- if I didn't transfer my weight and hit off my back foot- I really wouldn't lose any power?
Sure thing Mike...check your email.
As mentioned, I don't fully comprehend all there is about speed generation.

So far what I have been doing is working very nicely for me. Hope you can link and sort everything out for me in reference to TGM.
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Sure thing Mike...check your email.
As mentioned, I don't fully comprehend all there is about speed generation.

So far what I have been doing is working very nicely for me. Hope you can link and sort everything out for me in reference to TGM.
I reference my own post...

I have submitted the said research to my friend Mike O and Toolish for review.

With their permission, I will post their comments about it. I am not sure I can post the article sent to them because of intellectual property etc.

As mentioned to them, I stand ready to be corrected in the face of evidence disproving what I sent them. I am here to learn as much as the rest.

Though I may not have all the answers, one thing I know is that once I was short, now I am long doing "my" forearm exercises.

One theory that I proposed to Mike is a possible "spillover" effect of my forearm exercises to my upper arms and torso. Not so sure about that...I will post some pictures of the exercises soon.

Thanks to any that will chime in and offer more insights.
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