There are three elbow locations, at the side (punch) deep in front (pitch) and behind the shaft (push). A hitter would use punch or push for all types of shots. A hitters motion is a driving right arm to straight through the ball so either elbow position works.
Pitch elbow is a maximum participation late release for swingers.
A short video of this would be valuable. I don't believe I have ever seen anyone demonstrate this.
The video I found helpful for figuring out what to do with the elbow appears as the 2nd video series, "The Preshot Routine". (the 2nd video of the series featuring Ted Fort). About 1/3 through this video, Ted demonstrates his piston-like preswing "waggle". As he thrusts his forearm forward, the elbow extends toward the middle of his stomach. Independently positioning my elbow farther forward is no longer required because the elbow ends up in the right position. (Maybe that is part of the magic of the right forearm?)
One might think that the time investment to hit 6,000 chips would not be fully rewarded by the modest effect on ones handicap of more accurate chipping. But the employment of my new forearm thrust in my full motion swings is the real reward. I can't believe how once I figured out the correct forearm thrust move for my chips, almost instantly my full motion hitting was dramatically improved. I am licking my chops, waiting for this golf season to begin because the more accurate and longer hitting I am doing on the range, must eventually translate to significantly lower scores.
The video I found helpful for figuring out what to do with the elbow appears as the 2nd video series, "The Preshot Routine". (the 2nd video of the series featuring Ted Fort). About 1/3 through this video, Ted demonstrates his piston-like preswing "waggle". As he thrusts his forearm forward, the elbow extends toward the middle of his stomach. Independently positioning my elbow farther forward is no longer required because the elbow ends up in the right position. (Maybe that is part of the magic of the right forearm?)
One might think that the time investment to hit 6,000 chips would not be fully rewarded by the modest effect on ones handicap of more accurate chipping. But the employment of my new forearm thrust in my full motion swings is the real reward. I can't believe how once I figured out the correct forearm thrust move for my chips, almost instantly my full motion hitting was dramatically improved. I am licking my chops, waiting for this golf season to begin because the more accurate and longer hitting I am doing on the range, must eventually translate to significantly lower scores.
Yep, I know what you mean, I have been working alot on PP3 with basic motion and some small acquired, and building pressure in it and found great progress filtering from chips to full swing too.
I haven't seen anyone discuss elbow positions and think it might be an interesting topic that hasn't been discussed yet, though.
If you thrust your forearm at the ball properly, while keeping your hands forward of the ball at impact, I believe the "magic of the right forearm" locates precisely the right elbow position automatically.
If you thrust your forearm at the ball properly, while keeping your hands forward of the ball at impact, I believe the "magic of the right forearm" locates precisely the right elbow position automatically.
Not every stroke is a right forearm thrust, yet all strokes use The Magic of the Right Forearm since the right arm controls the 3 dimensions of impact.
But you have choices with elbow positions:
PUNCH, 10-3-A. That is Down and at the side of the body
PITCH, 10-3-B. That is Down and in front of the body.
Both are Swing procedures, Pitch and Snap go hand and hand. No major difference between the two except that in Pitch the elbow will lead the hands deeper into the swing for maximum trigger delay.
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PUSH, 10-3-C. This is Up and Out. A true Pushing action with the hands between the elbow and ball. Hitting, Crossline Approach, Angle Hinge written all over this baby.
Homer said the elbow has to be somewhere. IMHO, Swingers are using PUNCH most of the time.
Why do you think that is so common? Lack of startup swivel?
No, I think most player feel comfortable setting the elbow into their side which to me is different then leading the elbow deep into the pivot with hands then clubhead lagging. I think Sweep release is more common. Not every shot is a delayed Trigger. This is how I see Pitch Elbow- deep, Maximum snap released.
It is not to say the elbow fixes itself to a spot in Punch- the body is turning and the hands are on path to deliver the clubhead.
I don't follow the start-up Swivel POV. What are your thoughts?
Hybrid Mode
