Quinton style.. he is a swinger.. and trust me, he roll his arms more than we think. that is why he uses neutral grip. in my opinion he barely use punch elbow for most of his shots. he is not that passive arms as you think.
Hardy, hitter. Now this is passive arms.
Now both of them wants you to use maximum pivot delivery. I say its the same thing but one is a swing and the other a hit with very little component switch. A hit or a swing, is very much a person choice , but you have a more natural Swing motion.. changing to hit will take much longer. So, just take neutral grip, pitch elbow, do a little work on sequential release ( karate chop), keep the rest of your motion and you should learn to do it relatively quickly . I would say this is the quick fix areas.
Both of this person will never teach you, Flat left wrist, LAG, Compression, Power, ( from 98 mph to 112 mph average for me)which you can only learn properly in TGM.. i suggest viewing the videos by Jeff Hull, Lynn Blake , Ben Doyle, Ted Fort to have an idea. these are work in progress. Now this takes tons of time to see results,, especially if you don't have a TGM coach beside you.
^_^ once you know how to do it.. you will be hooked.
Nuke, where I can find an explanation what is a Punch Elbow and what is a Pitch Elbow ? What is a sequential karate chop release ? It will help me to understand what you are talking about
BTW, as you see I am here in this room...that's why I already before classified myself as a Swinger. I agree to you 100% - I'd prefer to use my natural tendency instead of changing for Hitter's motion, since it's very hard for me to activate my right hand. I am really very willing to try TGM method but I need a starting point. It seems for me that it's hard to do it without at least full basic knowledge that I suffer with.
Pitch elbow simply means the elbow is more in front of right hip opposed to side of body during downswing..
That will facilitate few things. it will allow the club rest on the PP3 ready to be pulled. and the elbow in a leading position, it allows the club to be dragged (pull) instead of pushed(hit). AKA Quinton top of the swing position.
Karate chop simply means , the palms is parallel and along the Plane ( do a seach on plane and what plane means, like the hogan piece of glass over his neck, could be higher or lower, could shift up and down another plane ). the pivot will carry your hand along this plane ( more or less what you are doing.)like a karate chop, Then at before& after impact the wrist roll ( thus closes the clubface) Then the palm will be parallel to the plane again, back up plane. This motion should not be alien to you because thats how you "Swing." , properly done, you will gain some speed.
This is a natural Horizontal Hinge of a Swinger. with a natural Draw action. Thus it is advised to use a Neutral grip. left hand is 20-30* facing right of target instead of the strong 45*
Simply play the ball more towards the target for draw, and away from target for fade.
Of course there are plenty of details... hard to describe unless somebody demonstrate in person.. I am just giving you what is in a nutshell , very overall picture. Treat what i say as a quick fix.
True TGM is learn from the basic chip , pitches , compression, like what EDZ,Matthew, Golfbulldog says, thus.. to know what we are saying.. Get the book asap for easy referencing.
For flat left wrist, it is always a Left arm swing( which is what you are doing, minus the flat left wrist i guess, but nobody i know have a flat left wrist and lag without proper education).. Right arm always push regardless of its a swing or HIT.. now... you don't have the book thus I can't reference it for you..
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For flat left wrist, it is always a Left arm swing( which is what you are doing, minus the flat left wrist i guess, but nobody i know have a flat left wrist and lag without proper education).. Right arm always push regardless of its a swing or HIT.. now... you don't have the book thus I can't reference it for you..
One word of advise, if you don't understand, Incubate, do a search, one day the egg will hatch.
Here is the quote ( 1-F)...
"The "mystery" of the Mechanics of Golf fades away when Right Arm participation is understood (7-3). Whether its participation is active or passive is difficult to detect visually because in either case the Left Arm is ALWAYS SWINGING and the Right Fore¬arm is ALWAYS DRIVING. It is always a Left Arm Stroke unless the Right Elbow replaces the Left Shoulder as the center of the Clubhead Arc. (10-3-K)
This, alone, does not properly separate "Hitters" and "Swingers" because it is possible to "Swing" the Club with either Arm but only the Right Arm can actually "Hit." (See 10-19.) However, you will save yourself much anguish by using the Right Hand just for sensing and controlling acceleration and the Left Hand just for sensing and controlling align¬ments. Right Hand - Clubhead. Left Hand - Clubface. "
I think that for swinging( 3 barrels) the right forearm is driven ( ie. no active right triceps action to straighten right elbow" and right hand is sensing lag pressure....rather than the right hand pushing in a swing.... what i think Homer means is that the left arm can not push...maybe wrong on this but that is what i interpret.