new GolfWorld- The Golfing Machine

[drewitgolf]

Annikan,

Nice to see you posting again. BTW, Congratulations on your PGA Class A Membership as well as your Instructor Authorization GSEB with TGM .

[annikan skywalker]

Thanks Drew....I've been very busy...Traveling and lessons...haven't had much down time ...Plus...I think LBG has pretty much covered almost all the cool topics in the book....You don't have to post much...just link to previous posts.....This place is like a Library!!!!


Did Slammin Sammy..."Stack and Tilt" ?





or "The Hawk"

[john riegger]

nice photos dave.good to se you again in richmond.sounds like the discussion you and i had in richmond.i have played with hogan and watched snead hit balls.notice how bens hips have turned level and his flex has maintained in the backswing.as for snead i beleive in your photo he is using hickory shafts.look at the videos on this site.snead maintained his flex in his right knee also.as i told you i dont think the p-b swing is the most efficient way to swing.too many extra moves.sure bads gets his right forearm on plane at impact,but why not start there.
my other question would be,why dont they teach tracing a straight line.a hand controlled pivot is much more efficient than pivot controlled hands.also do you think that any of their players could go from hitting to swinging.i dont think so.but if you trace a staight line and use a hand controlled pivot a player would have the ability too.
hitters dont use their legs to thrust the club.i can say they have had great success with their players.and being a tour player myself that it all that matters.in all fairness i would like to see MR.KELLY'S WORK DISPLAYED THE WAY HE INTENDED.that is why i have so much admiration for lynn.tgm has had a bad rap for 30 years. everyone needs to get on the same page especially if you are going to say you teach the MACHINE.REMEMBER THERE ARE THREE IMPERATIVES TO THE MACHINE.i dont see these in tilt and stack.

[annikan skywalker]

John...nice post...

Do Plummer and Bennets Players swing on plane?

Do they have Lag Pressure and Sustain the Line of Compression?

Do they believe in controlloing the Rate of Closure of the Clubface as it orbits the Hinge Assembly?

YES....YES...YES...

Do they use the recommended pattern in Chapter 12?

No...Do you have to?

Do you have to set the right forearm on plane at a Standard Address?

Do you have to use the Visual Equivalents that are pretty much a requirement for a Hands to Pivot procedure?

Does the book allow a player to set up on the Hands Only Plane?

Is the player allowed to make plane angle shifts so as to aid the selected Pivot procedure?

Do you have to start and stay on the Turned Shoulder Plane?

Do Plane Angle shifts allow the player the verssatility in the stroke pattern to shape the Curvature and vary the Trajectory?

Is a flat shoulder turn a superior procedure than the rotated shoulder?

Is MORAD cxompletely Pivot controlled or only in the downstroke?

Does the Pivot and it's sequencing and spacing allow for certain delivery paths and delivery lines?

Do you think certain stroke patterns are built for an emphasis on precise Geometry and others on amplifying the Physics?

Do the students of Plummer, Bennett, and O'Grady swings lack in performance?

There are many answers to these questions and depending on how we have been trained or educated creates a bias toward or away from these variations?

We all tend to like what we are trained to see... and dislike those things we are trained to dislike...


The great thing is ..."latitude in instruction" ...

BTW for you "outsiders"...John Riegger is a helluva guy and talent...looking for good things to come in the near future out of this guy

See ya soon!!!

Lynn..you've seen my motion live...Does it work on the course?

[Yoda]

Lynn..you've seen my motion live...Does it work on the course?

That it do, David. That it do.

[john riegger]

good 1 dave,i am not saying it is not in the book,just not the most efficient way,imo.sorry i am going to miss you in greenvile i am taking that extra week off to spend time with the fam.i would like to talk with you in person again and see your action live.

[Rhythm]

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Looks pretty good. Stationary head.

[plumdog]

excellent post david i admire your dedication and always respect your opinion

[rvwink]

What seems remarkable to me about how Stack and Tilt actually works is how people seem to be able to pick up the system after reading a magazine article and with no formal instruction. I read through a Gold Digest blog that included responses from people who had tried the system. A large number had great success, some just with their irons and down, and some across the board.

I absolutely love the Golfing Machine and this website. I haven't even been tempted to try a single golf tip, not part of the Golfing Machine since I signed up 2 1/2 years ago. I have had to work hard to learn the Golfing Machine on this forum. But it was well worth it, and I definitely enjoyed the process thoroughly. It seemed strange to me that people were reading a Golf Digest article and all of a sudden getting great results with the new system. Then there is the 4 golfers who have won their first tournament after taking lessons from Plummer and Bennett. So I reluctantly decided to see what all of the fuss was about. Last week at the range, after reading the two GD articles a few times, I gave it a personal test. From the first ball, I started hitting with more accurate compression, and alignment. Not having to retrace the precise distance to get back to the ball, was a huge benefit for me. I not only hit the irons, I also hit the woods and even my driver quite well. A second practice session also resulted in significantly improved results across the board.

This was surprising because I am a hitter, and it doesn't appear that "Stack and Tilt" has a hitters version. Today I went out and played 9 holes. I had my best driving day of the year, hitting 3 or 4 drives well passed my previous personal best hits. My hitter background should have been a real stumbling block. But it wasn't. I really do think "Stack and Tilt" is about geometry. The "Stack and Tilt" swing seems to have substantially more rotary motion in hit than my previous swing. The club is going back even shorter and even further inside. It also is going further inside on the way forward. Aside from the more consistent ball striking, the ball contact because of the more rotary swing feels better than what I was previously experiencing.

As a former wrestler, I chose to be a hitter instead of a swinger because I wanted to take advantage of my my strength. The "Stack and Tilt" swing provides additional leverage for me in my shoulders and upper torso because of the shorter distance back and through. So even though I am out of the hitting business, I don't feel I am making a hip centric gyroscopic swing. Also the proof is in the pudding, 15 yards to a 64 year old guy is a big deal and something positive seems to have clicked in, at least at this point.

Three days is not a fair test of a system. But the extra distance and consistency is tempting, along with the more rewarding ball flight. I sincerely hope this post is not deemed disrespectful of my absolute favorite website on the Net. If you think I am someone with an agenda, read my prior posts over the last 2 1/2 years and see for yourself my enthusiasm for the Golfing Machine.

[drewitgolf]

I did a short-game golf clinic today for a little over a hundred kids with Brad Faxon. Prior to the clinic we were talking about "Stack and Tilt". Faxon was surpose to be the poster child for how not to swing according to Bennett and Plumber. Brad tried it for that reason and had little to no success with their Stroke Pattern. He actually got worse. He has since gone back to work with GSEM Ron Gring. Faxon had previously work with Gring when he felt he was hitting the ball the best a few years ago at the Hawaiian Open. However, it will be a while before you see him playing on tour again. Additional injuries (recently torn muscles arround his rib cage) prohibit him from making a full swing. So while "Stack and Tilt" may work for some, it is not the secret everyone is looking to discover.

BTW, Faxon has watched some of the videos on this website and is well aware of Lynn's work here and on tour.