Neil, I actually use a piece of 2 foot PVC that is mount about 16 inches off the ground instead of a bench to demonstrate one of the few drills in the book (4-D-0) for Wrist and Hand Motion. It travels a little easier than a bench. While Mr. Kelley never like to give too much emphasis on any one aspect of the motion (they are all important). I always find myself comming back to that section.
SEC, excellent accessment. I might change "complex" for "complete". Don't want to scare them off. Once hooked, they won't let go.
Bucket, there you go again, giving away the secret. If people understand that they might not need me anymore . Why don't you just give them a Yellow Treasure Map with a "Big X" on it (Not to be confused with x-classification in unlucky chapter 13).
Regardless, I think that it must be stated that there is going to be a learning process (a lot of work and understanding). We're so conditioned to so-called quick "tip" and quick "fixes". So much so that we think "good" is quick and simple.
So (like me), when you have heard many good things about TGM,and someone is telling you that it has the answers, and then you open it up for the first time, and realize you can't uderstand anything (at first) there is enormous disappointment. I'd soften this blow.
I'd question if anyone has opened TGM for the first time, immediately got a smile on their face, and said "Yeah, that's what I was thinking all along, this is so warm and comfortable." (Unless you've been studying The Forum and Archives).
Yet another thing:
I'd be sure to mention the role of FEEL in TGM. Translating correct mechanics to FEEL. You play by feel. So many people: "I don't like to think about mechanics. That's what TGM is about, That's why I don't like TGM" Uh, no mechanics is part of it, but you play by feel.
Bucket, there you go again, giving away the secret. If people understand that they might not need me anymore . Why don't you just give them a Yellow Treasure Map with a "Big X" on it (Not to be confused with x-classification in unlucky chapter 13).
Drew,
What ever you do, don't tell him when and where you will present.
The last PGA party he crashed was a mess and took days to clean up.
I don't want to get into the details, but somehow he went past security and got on stage to demonstrate a concept. He wore a rubber suit and was carrying a duck.
Fortunately he was subdued in time.
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Bagger
1-H "Because of questions of all kinds, reams of additional detail must be made available - but separately, and probably endlessly." Homer Kelly
Show a video of Stadler's swing. Then show one of Els' swing. Show Jack's flying elbow. Show Tiger's elbow. Then ask "Don't you honestly think there is A LOT of explaining to do here? Wouldn't you like the aswer key?"
I understand what youy are saying and there is a need to soften the blow. They will get the most out of the presentation if they can:
1. Understand-My job to inform and explain
2. Remember-that is really going to take some work and study
3. Have Correct Information-where the book comes in
4. Ability to Absorb and Apply-1-J Let Mechanics produce, let Feel reproduce.
Overcomming "past untruths" TGM has had to live with, should be front and center: it is strictly a method, strictly mechanics, it didn't help Clampett, etc.
A video presentation of different motions is a great idea. I remember Rick Smith did the same thing at a PGA Teaching Summit and it had a dramatic affect on the audience. Not that I am a Rick Smith fan, but his point was well taken.
Bagger, you should have let me know earlier. Bucket already has backstage passes.
I understand what youy are saying and there is a need to soften the blow. They will get the most out of the presentation if they can:
1. Understand-My job to inform and explain
2. Remember-that is really going to take some work and study
3. Have Correct Information-where the book comes in
4. Ability to Absorb and Apply-1-J Let Mechanics produce, let Feel reproduce.
Overcomming "past untruths" TGM has had to live with, should be front and center: it is strictly a method, strictly mechanics, it didn't help Clampett, etc.
A video presentation of different motions is a great idea. I remember Rick Smith did the same thing at a PGA Teaching Summit and it had a dramatic affect on the audience. Not that I am a Rick Smith fan, but his point was well taken.
Bagger, you should have let me know earlier. Bucket already has backstage passes.
Having thought, about video, if your going for hitting vs swinging, I don't know if it would be the best idea, as both motions can look the same.
Maybe some still frames of Kenny Perry 10-5-E drive out action, and somehow prove to the audience that the ball went straight (what other instruction will tell you how and why the ball went straight?).
Or maybe you could rip off some CBS Konika/Minolta Swing Vision footage and say, " Look folks, one of these days, Kostis is going to have to admit, publically on the air, that by gosh the player did make a descending blow with his driver."
Having thought, about video, if your going for hitting vs swinging, I don't know if it would be the best idea, as both motions can look the same.
Maybe some still frames of Kenny Perry 10-5-E drive out action, and somehow prove to the audience that the ball went straight (what other instruction will tell you how and why the ball went straight?).
Or maybe you could rip off some CBS Konika/Minolta Swing Vision footage and say, " Look folks, one of these days, Kostis is going to have to admit, publically on the air, that by gosh the player did make a descending blow with his driver."
SEC, you obviously have been studying TGM for awhile. Have you ever worked with Mike Perpich GSEM at River Pines Golf?
Always assume that I "crib" all my material! Originality is nothing but judicious imitation Voltaire once said! I do not recall where I got most of the outline from, it may have been a Chuck Evans bit. Still I always start with the mission at hand (pun intended.) Introducing the younglings to the golf ball (and the principle of sustaining the line of compression) and the implement that is well designed for its task (despite what Winston Churchill thought!) I compare the club to a high performance vehicle. The shaft is the motor, the head the chasis, the face the steering wheel. I know that you are addressing open-minded professionals but remediation is a must at all levels of learning ! I then proceed to unvail the secret of lag pressure, the FLW & BRW, as well as the importance of the plane. You will probably have to camp out at Planesville for a while. Although my study of TGM is still in the novice stage I have come across very few people (pros included) that understand what the true plane for every golfstroke (or club if you will) is. If a group of 15 year olds can understand the basic concepts surely your peers will have little difficulty. The last sentence becomes funnier the more I read it!
A piggyback question unrelated to the thread! I stumbled across talk of a Yoda DVD while ferreting through the archives like a crazed vagrant in search metholated spirits. TGM addiction is a serious affair (pun in poor taste intended) Anyway I did not find the final chapter on that particular thread. So, is there such a thing? That is a DVD with Yoda & Co. doing their thang? What a coup if there is. There is NO substitute for the book, but great communicators like Yoda are indispensible for the rest of us hard of understanding types.
Technical question. Why does Ben Doyle feel that ball postioning is a stationary thing i.e. that ball is played from the same spot relative to low point. Is this to achieve a special purpose or did he respectively disagree? I got my hands on one of Mr. Doyles How To Build a G.O.L.F Swing tapes. It is amazing to watch him go through all 24 components as thoroughly as he does. A great learning activity for me is watching the tape with the book as a quick reference. Still, kinda curious about the ball position thing.
What ever you do, don't tell him when and where you will present.
The last PGA party he crashed was a mess and took days to clean up.
I don't want to get into the details, but somehow he went past security and got on stage to demonstrate a concept. He wore a rubber suit and was carrying a duck.
. Why don't you just give them a Yellow Treasure Map with a "Big X" on it 
(Not to be confused with x-classification in unlucky chapter 13).
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