The degree of slope inhancement chip in the 1500 uses a formula that was created using a suveyors tool called a clinometer (incline meter). The original formula was done in % and as you know the 1500 uses degrees. This is unfortunate, because degrees are not as tight as % (0 to 90, degrees gives you 90 segments, % gives you 100). Also, it is very easy to do the math using % , very difficult using degrees. This may change, there is still talk of bringing out a model using %.
Most of the people on the various Tours who use this concept, (the # is growing every week) use % because, lazers are not allowed for shots in Tour events and being able to do the math quickly is critical. Interestingly enough, Jim Flick was asking about this same issue at the John Deere on Tuesday.
One final point, how tight do you want to be with your numbers; when I do a new course I use reflectors to check yardages because the varience with reflectors is very tight ( plus or minus 1 yd). Just shooting a flag or a bunker, the varience is probably plus or minus 3 and therefore your slope yds will also be affected
Hope is helps, if not, I'll try harder
It should be known, and OK is too modest. OK introduced the clinometer to golf. He found the instrument and worked out the correlation of percentage to golf shot (he did have some help with this). There is some difference in the effect based on the club being used and the trajectory. It has become a standard piece of information that players want. My personal opinion is that the most important piece it yields is a hard number instead of "it's 150 yards plus about half a club," it becomes "150--up 4% = 156 total."
He also consulted with and product tested for Bushnell as they introduced their version.
Nice post, some really good info there. I think as golfers we all under estimate the rise and fall aspect of the golf course and we overlook how much of a difference it will make in the yardage. The more info about the shot at hand you can give a good player the more exact he/she will be.
Thanks for the info, I'll keep my eye open for an opportunity to try the other model of the 1500.
Pat
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Nice post, some really good info there. I think as golfers we all under estimate the rise and fall aspect of the golf course and we overlook how much of a difference it will make in the yardage. The more info about the shot at hand you can give a good player the more exact he/she will be.
Thanks for the info, I'll keep my eye open for an opportunity to try the other model of the 1500.
Pat
Pat
Where it really makes a big difference is when you play a course that you have never seen before. I was on the 13th hole at Weschester a number of years ago (second shot is very uphill) checking elevation with my clinometer.
A seasoned Tour player came by and asked me what I was doing; I told him and he said "well I've learned over the years that it plays about a club uphill ". I thanked him and said "well I've been here for 30 seconds and it actually plays 9 yards uphill. N and I were using this info for several years before it became of interest. However, when VJ started using my formula (about 6m before he became #1) the whole concept really took off .
Today, players and caddies on every major Tour in the world either use a clinometer or the pinseeker 1500. Just a small hint, when using the elevation part of the 1500, shoot your target at eye level so that you get a proper reading.
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Looks somewhat similar, haven't seen this one yet, will check it out and let you know. The one I use is about 8" across, this one looks to be a bit smaller
Should you point the crosshairs at the flag or the base of the flag for best results?
Today, players and caddies on every major Tour in the world either use a clinometer or the pinseeker 1500. Just a small hint, when using the elevation part of the 1500, shoot your target at eye level so that you get a proper reading.
Today, players and caddies on every major Tour in the world either use a clinometer or the pinseeker 1500. Just a small hint, when using the elevation part of the 1500, shoot your target at eye level so that you get a proper reading.
This was the last sentence in posting #9.
By elevation I assume you mean slope. I do not have the one with slope as they are illegal for competition play.
I shoot at the flag and it seems to be easier to hit and just as accurate. I really like the 1500 during practice too. You can get a great feel for distances on the range and build confidence in half and 3/4 swings as well.
Pat
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