What would guys say this guy's pattern is? I have looked at clip after clip. He and Apples look like hitters w/ enviable tempo. He goes kinda wide w/ on the the take away, but narrows it up big time on DS. Looks like great rt. side extensor action late in the DS.
Does he use a horizontal or angled hinging procedure? In this video he appears a little shut.
I thought he might be more of hitter because of the bent left arm at impact, versus straight left arm when swinging.
Another question for you, does the bent left wrist post impact pose a problem w/ consistency? I thought as long as it was flat at impact, that you would be ok.....maybe not, Im just starting the learning process
Does he use a horizontal or angled hinging procedure? In this video he appears a little shut.
Hard for me to tell from this video, as I can't get the video to stop after impact to get any clues. I think there is a tendency to angle hinge if you don't employ a startup swivel (leave the face looking at the ball on the takeaway), which would give it that shut look on the way back.
does the bent left wrist post impact pose a problem w/ consistency? I thought as long as it was flat at impact, that you would be ok.....maybe not, Im just starting the learning process
post impact positions have a nasty habit of becomingpre - impact positions. The FLAT LEFT WRIST is the #1 Imperative for a good reason. There are players whose athletic ability will be able to compensate for a BENT LEFT WRIST. The question is can they do every time and to the same degree every time? Odds are they cannot.
Do you know if hitters always use an angled hinge at start up and follow through? Azinger, at least when he was coached by Redman, used angled hinge on BS, DS, and FT but I always thought he was a left side pull swinger.
Sligo,
I see your point. Not training for a FLW post impact could easily lead to flipping at impact if you dont watch it...
From the beginning, Retief Goosen has been a Right Arm Swinger.
His post-Impact Left Wrist alignment (Bent) has been intolerable to some and derided by others. Yet, he has won two United States Open Championships.
Right Arm Swing.
Left Arm Swing.
Right Arm Hit.
It only really matters when you do it for a living.
I don't think so.
Yes, Retief is a right arm swinger (a tour proven way to swing a golf club).....confirmed by Ian Baker-Finch while analyzing Retief's swing in slow-motion on a ABC golf telecast...So is Ernie Els while were at it. Just read his classic swing golf book....he sounds like Tomasello. The Magic of the Right Forearm....the Magic Move.
After watching Retief's golf swing in slow motion on youtube....I believe if he knew the three imperatives (especially clubhead lag pressure point and how it relates to the straight plane line, that concept is huge) he would go to the next level of consistency.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 01-11-2008 at 02:23 AM.
I see Retief as a swinger. Check this link on youtube:
(you can hit pause/play - pause/play to slow it down more)
To me - it appears he is pulling the club from the end, versus using his shoulder as a backstop and driving his right forearm. At :31 seconds is a great shot of longitudinal acceleration - shaft bent down, etc.
Check out this with Trevino:
Start around 19 seconds but watch (and pause/play) at 22 seconds (not sure who posted the vid, but they reference angled hinging):
To me, it looks like he uses his right shoulder as a backstop - then drives his shoulder/right forearm downplane and actually looks like his right forearm chases the ball.....in fact, he talks about turning in the barrel - and a closed clubface, etc. Great video - priceless.
Just my perspective.
Hinging, in itself, occurs during the impact interval - per 7-10.
I personally do not see Retief as right arm swinging - to me he looks like a manipulated swinger. Appears shoulder turn takeaway, blah blah blah.
As far as impact - I have still at my house. Yes, his post impact is funky - crazy really. But, having seen him 4 times in person, and video - he hits down. I mean bigtime down. Doesnt look like it in the video, but standing in front of him is a different perspective.
One last thought: His post impact flip seems to be caused by his left elbow bending outwards, towards the target - I would think there is a correlation there........
Tomasello also use to refer to as swinging too. But he uncocked the right elbow from the top through the right forearm per the Magic of the Right Forearm. Powerful swinger that Tomasello.
I have video of Tomasello swinging a club when Tommy was in top form (1987).....his swing was as smooth and powerful as Els and Tommy was approximately 63 years old.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 01-11-2008 at 08:42 AM.
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