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Old 01-25-2008, 02:43 PM
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That is better!
I can reference 2-k # 6, but I would prefer to tell you what the endless belt did for me!


Endless belt effect of # 3 Acc. ---- straight line delivery path --- more upright plane (turned shoulder plane) --- 3 dimensional impact ---- more up and down than I thought sane --- Compression!

Understanding the Endless Belt Effect opened my eyes to the sequence of learning represented above! It represented the dynamic concept/image that I needed. I actually hit balls thinking "slow hands...slow hands" I think a key in competive golf is to be deliberate without a hint of steering. Firing accumulators in sequence helps...but know that you do not have to have flash hand speed (unless you want take em' around the mulberry bush) it sucks the anticipatory stress out of the process. It allows us to think process...procedure...and consequently stay in the present. Funny thing is that my lack of play in recent years led me up to this point. For this reason and that reason I have not played much, but I did work on my game in my armchair. I am chomping at the bit...practically foaming at the mouth!

I have "reduced" my TGM bag o' tricks to the proper understanding of Homer's "Big Ideas." It has taken over a year! I know that there is a deeper level of understanding for teaching purposes, but I am now able to execute physically what I understand conceptually...what a rush!

One day I may be able to reference the book in an expert manner. I can however find the "Biggies" as fast as a seminary student can find John 3:16!

Obviously the Endless Belt Effect is a "Biggie" I think I ranked it second to the Flying Wedges in light switch ideas for me...Geometry of the Circle was helpful...the elusive Extensor action very instructive...hinge action is cheating....law of the flail brought me closer to my agrarian roots...bent and vertical right wrist made me respect all of the spear throwers of antiquity...on and on!

I am aiming for my 100th post before January is done!
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Old 01-25-2008, 02:45 PM
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That is how I understand it Comet! Keep the belt going and watch that puppy take the corner on two wheels!
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Old 01-25-2008, 02:54 PM
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And then Yoda turned to YodasLuke and said...

"Knowing that this Effect is in operation will keep the player from attempting to 'speed up' the Hands during Release, an ill-advised and almost always ill-fated attempt to increase Clubhead Speed through Impact. Per 6-P-0, it is only necessary to keep the Handspeed 'strong, consistent and Rhythmic.' In other words, Sustain the Lag!"
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Old 01-25-2008, 03:03 PM
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And then Yoda turned to YodasLuke and said...

"Knowing that this Effect is in operation will keep the player from attempting to 'speed up' the Hands during Release, an ill-advised and almost always ill-fated attempt to increase Clubhead Speed through Impact. Per 6-P-0, it is only necessary to keep the Handspeed 'strong, consistent and Rhythmic.' In other words, Sustain the Lag!"
Doesn't get much clearer than that!

Amen!

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Old 01-25-2008, 11:17 PM
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SUSTAIN..... not ADD
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And then Yoda turned to YodasLuke and said...

"Knowing that this Effect is in operation will keep the player from attempting to 'speed up' the Hands during Release, an ill-advised and almost always ill-fated attempt to increase Clubhead Speed through Impact. Per 6-P-0, it is only necessary to keep the Handspeed 'strong, consistent and Rhythmic.' In other words, Sustain the Lag!"
After braving the elements this evening and putting the old rainsuit and Underarmour on I ventured to a local range to work on some "hitting" chip/pitch shots in prep for a 2-day event coming up this weekend. I brought only my wedges, so I wasn't tempted to work on full swing drivers.

After an hour or so I had worked thru my bucket and was heading to the car when I saw 20 or so balls sitting there (imagine that... 38 degrees, misting, and someone had left some rangeballs un-hit!!!!!). I decided to use some half-swings and really work on simply maintaining my handspeed from release to follow-through (no acceleration allowed). I think it's even tougher on half swings to do this, but I thought what the hey.... these balls were free anyway. Well.... it was amazing just how solid these SW shots flew, from marginal lies no less. The EB discussions from today sort of resonated in the back of my head and it struck me that as many times as I've heard "Sustain the Lag" in terms of TGM over the last 3 or 4 years I never really thought about what it meant.

Sustain doesn't mean to increase. It means to support and maintain. One would think that if you have lag then adding to it would be a good thing. At least that was probably bouncing around in my head. After doing a search here on "sustain the lag", some really good posts came up..... not suprisingly led by Mr. 12-Piece. Very clarifying.

Could be one of those ah-ha moments.... we'll see.

This place really IS good!!!!
CG
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Old 01-26-2008, 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by cometgolfer View Post
After braving the elements this evening and putting the old rainsuit and Underarmour on I ventured to a local range to work on some "hitting" chip/pitch shots in prep for a 2-day event coming up this weekend. I brought only my wedges, so I wasn't tempted to work on full swing drivers.

After an hour or so I had worked thru my bucket and was heading to the car when I saw 20 or so balls sitting there (imagine that... 38 degrees, misting, and someone had left some rangeballs un-hit!!!!!). I decided to use some half-swings and really work on simply maintaining my handspeed from release to follow-through (no acceleration allowed). I think it's even tougher on half swings to do this, but I thought what the hey.... these balls were free anyway. Well.... it was amazing just how solid these SW shots flew, from marginal lies no less. The EB discussions from today sort of resonated in the back of my head and it struck me that as many times as I've heard "Sustain the Lag" in terms of TGM over the last 3 or 4 years I never really thought about what it meant.

Sustain doesn't mean to increase. It means to support and maintain. One would think that if you have lag then adding to it would be a good thing. At least that was probably bouncing around in my head. After doing a search here on "sustain the lag", some really good posts came up..... not suprisingly led by Mr. 12-Piece. Very clarifying.

Could be one of those ah-ha moments.... we'll see.

This place really IS good!!!!
CG
hmmmmm . . . one grown man is laughing out loud at a computer screen (probably rocking as well) while his wife is calling him "nuts."

Another grown man is coming back every single day posting dissertations on minutia of how accumulator numbers came to be while also saying "Oh yeah I'm done with internet forums now . . . " mmmmmm hmmmmm sure you are . . .

And another grown man is employing a FAKE british accent to take advantage of unsuspecting vulnerable obese women.

Another grown man physically assaults a bell hop because the complimentary continental breakfast "don't have no biscuits or no gravy!!!!!"

Another grown man who happens to be a certain tour caddy was arrested for shooting yardages with his range finder nekkid in the dark at 4 am on a putt putt course in Houston.

And now you another GROWN MAN are stealing range balls in subfreezing weather IN THE RAIN no less . . .

Yeah this place is GREAT!!!! You people are freakin' CRAAAAAAZYYYYYYY!!!! With a capital crazy!!!!

Yeah I know y'all are saying "Who are you to say that!!!" Pot calling kettle . .

But the difference is . . .

I KNOW I'M A FOOL.
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Old 01-26-2008, 05:49 AM
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Sergio Pulley

Since I have absolutely no clue about including pictures, the geometry added to Sergios Swing pics are in the attached thumbnail. The difficulty I had in attaching this picture is somewhere between fixing a leaky faucet and rubbing two sticks together to start a fire.

If you start at the first picture of the sequence, notice I outlined Sergios Hand Locations on his Backstroke and Downstroke. I had to extrapolate one to finish the pulley.

Anyway, look at the Centers of the Pulleys.

The Pulleys are the same size. If you review Yoda next to Hogan in "The Gallery" their Heads are much more centered over the ball which results in better Straight Line Delivery Path and their hands enter the Pulley more sharply.

Sergio pulleys are not as small as Hogans. Keep in mind that for each inch the Pulley decreases in diameter, you have an exponential increase in Clubhead Speed and that means Lower Effort Output for equal Clubhead speeds. And that's not all. Hogan enters the pulley slightly closer to the pulleys Horizontal Centerline so has more delay in Release. So, two properties of the Pulley are Size and Entrance Location. The Size of the Pulley is pretty much fixed. Your Body Size, Shape, Height and Arm Length pretty much determine all of that.

Also, please notice that Impact Hand Location is not the Lowest Hand Location during the Swing (Ball Location) but that the Center of the Lower Pulley is over the Ball. That means Phenomenal CF. Almost zero Clubhead impact deceleration. His Primary Lever becomes a steel rod. Awesome Clubhead Mass. You can write a book on that Issue alone (oh? HK already did). Consider that the next time you want to play the ball back in your stance. The father back in your stance you position the ball, the less CF you generate for the same hand speed.

Lastly; Do you see very much Delayed Release? I don't. It only looks like Delay because his head is so far behind the Ball at Impact.

Lastly Lastly; The centers of Sergios pulleys align with the impact hand location. That has nothing to do with anything. I just thought it made a really nice looking diagram. The Big white Circle represents the outline of his clubhead path and does not represent low-point. Close but no Cigar.
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Old 01-26-2008, 07:49 AM
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Sergio Pulley

Since I have absolutely no clue about including pictures, the geometry added to Sergios Swing pics are in the attached thumbnail. The difficulty I had in attaching this picture is somewhere between fixing a leaky faucet and rubbing two sticks together to start a fire.

If you start at the first picture of the sequence, notice I outlined Sergios Hand Locations on his Backstroke and Downstroke. I had to extrapolate one to finish the pulley.

Anyway, look at the Centers of the Pulleys.

The Pulleys are the same size. If you review Yoda next to Hogan in "The Gallery" their Heads are much more centered over the ball which results in better Straight Line Delivery Path and smaller Pulleys.

Sergio has small pulleys compared to the average Golfer however not as small as Yoda and Hogan. Keep in mind that for each inch the Pulley decreases in diameter, you have an exponential increase in Clubhead Speed and that means Lower Effort Output for equal Clubhead speeds. And that's not all. Yoda and Hogan enter the pulley closer to the pulleys Horizontal Centerline so even if they use the same size pulley as Sergio, they have more delay in Release. So, two properties of the Pulley are Size and Entrance Location.

Also, please notice that Impact Hand Location is not the Lowest Hand Location during the Swing but that the Center of the Lower Pulley is over the Ball. That means Phenomenal CF. Almost zero Clubhead impact deceleration. His Primary Lever becomes a steel rod. Awesome Clubhead Mass. You can write a book on that Issue alone. Consider that the next time you want to play the ball back in your stance.

Lastly; Do you see very much Delayed Release? I don't. It only looks like Delay because his head is so far behind the Ball at Impact.

Lastly Lastly; The centers of Sergios pulleys align with the impact hand location. That has nothing to do with anything. I just thought it made a really nice looking diagram.
Remember the endless belt is a concept to illustrate the differences in the hands moving in a wide circular fashion versus moving in a sharp more linear fashion. As your pictures illustrate the hands don't actually move in a straight line.

Now as for Sergio . . . go to Youtube and watch some of his swings. He stays right on top of the ball. There's not a lot of moving around in his motion of his head relative to a lot of the pros out there. Go to Youtube and watch some swing visions . . . The other thing you'll notice about this motion is there is relatively little axis tilt in comparison to some of the other dudes out there . . . Zach for example. If Sergio had tons of Axis tilt ala Ben Doyle you'd never have heard of him.

We've been here before but watch his swing and look how high his club is off the ground as the hands get in the area of the right and left thigh. This swing is STEEP. Look at Zach's motion that is SWEEPY. Watch the swings and watch the angle of attacks. Sergio has a big shift to a flatter plane but the swing is still STEEP.

Do some comparison work and see what you can figure out about how the motions are different and how the comparitively work.
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