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Relationships . . . #3 Angle, Plane Angle, & Clubface Motion

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Old 03-08-2008, 11:42 PM
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Old 03-10-2008, 05:10 PM
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Mr. Bucket,

Is this thread leading to a discussion of Low/High Left Hand #3 accumulator and changing pulley sizes? I can't believe that you quoted the 7Th Edition. Sacrilege!!!!!!!
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Old 03-10-2008, 05:51 PM
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Mr. Bucket,

Is this thread leading to a discussion of Low/High Left Hand #3 accumulator and changing pulley sizes? .......[/b]
Looks that way to me from what he's quoted....

Now throw in some food for thought.....

How does this 'picture' change if you were to consider only a zero shift motion?
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Old 03-10-2008, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by EdZ View Post
Looks that way to me from what he's quoted....

Now throw in some food for thought.....

How does this 'picture' change if you were to consider only a zero shift motion?
Unless I'm missing something, I don't think that it changes the Picture as far as mechanical application.

Consider a Turned Shoulder Plane and Zero Shift.

Someone with High Hand Speed, or Rotation Speed may use a Low #3 Accumulator and Release Earlier or those blessed with Extra Speed can capitalize on that ability with a Snap Release (if they dare to use 10-18-B).

Those with Slower Hand Speed, or Turtle like Rotational Speed should use a High #3 Accumulator with Snap Release for Highest Clubhead Speed (LPGA and Daryl) or Lower #3 Accumulator with Full or Random Sweep.
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Originally Posted by Daryl View Post
Unless I'm missing something, I don't think that it changes the Picture as far as mechanical application.

Consider a Turned Shoulder Plane and Zero Shift.

Someone with High Hand Speed, or Rotation Speed may use a Low #3 Accumulator and Release Earlier or those blessed with Extra Speed can capitalize on that ability with a Snap Release (if they dare to use 10-18-B).

Those with Slower Hand Speed, or Turtle like Rotational Speed should use a High #3 Accumulator with Snap Release for Highest Clubhead Speed (LPGA and Daryl) or Lower #3 Accumulator with Full or Random Sweep.
I think it is interesting to note that the players that have tons of trigger delay swing seem to swing on the Elbow Plane to me? I could be wrong in this observation. But Sergio Hogan CHII and Boo seem to be Elbow Planers?

Anybody got thoughts on that?
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Huge trigger delay on the TSP, would be really steep, don't you think?

They say Boo gets too steep, but I don't believe 'em.
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Huge trigger delay on the TSP, would be really steep, don't you think?

They say Boo gets too steep, but I don't believe 'em.
Witcha . . . but how do we reconcile the statements below?

10-6-A ELBOW Where the Right Elbow touches the waist is the reference point used for this Plane Angle. It is the “flattest” normal Plane that will still allow the Right Forearm to be On Plane during Impact. This should produce a very flat Angle of Attack (2-B) with reduced Backspin and should be avoided for Short Shots unless it is also part of your Full Stroke Pattern. The Elbow Plane allows maximum #3 Accumulator requiring earlier Release per 6-N-0. This procedure is executed by the Right Forearm per 7-3 and 10-6-B and Elbow Location per 6-B-3-0-1.


Does it just LOOK LIKE major delay because of the big angle?
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Originally Posted by Daryl View Post
Unless I'm missing something, I don't think that it changes the Picture as far as mechanical application.

Consider a Turned Shoulder Plane and Zero Shift.

Someone with High Hand Speed, or Rotation Speed may use a Low #3 Accumulator and Release Earlier or those blessed with Extra Speed can capitalize on that ability with a Snap Release (if they dare to use 10-18-B).

Those with Slower Hand Speed, or Turtle like Rotational Speed should use a High #3 Accumulator with Snap Release for Highest Clubhead Speed (LPGA and Daryl) or Lower #3 Accumulator with Full or Random Sweep.
With the same equipment? Do you assume that with any of these, impact fix is the ideal, with a 10-2-B Grip and proper wrist conditions?
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Old 03-12-2008, 02:18 AM
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With the same equipment? Do you assume that with any of these, impact fix is the ideal, with a 10-2-B Grip and proper wrist conditions?
I don't clearly understand the question. But I was saying that a Golfer can use High or Low #3 Accumulator Angle on a Turned Shoulder Plane, with Zero Shift.

I think that the Endless Belt Effect concept illustrates that The Clubhead will travel at the same RPM of the Hands but have different surface speeds. I believe that each Size Golfer has his one size pulley. He may compensate Hand Speed with the #3 Accumulator Angle. I think thats all that the concept and HK are saying. And, without a Straight Line Portion, then no endless belt effect, then the endless belt effect has no application to one large pulley for Circle Path Delivery.

I don't think the Endless Belt Effect Concept supports attempting to change the Pulley Size.

It's just my opinnion which is base on my level of understanding of the material.
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