For me, extensor action is difficult to take from words on a page to implementation. If I try to foucs on it by applying pressure througout the motion it adds too much tension to my hands, wrists, and motion.
I try to keep width and structure in my swing but I have to do it without tension. In other words, if my right hand were to come off the the club at the top, my right arm wouldn't immediately straighten out because I'm not apply that kind of pressure.
Similarly, I find it difficult to treat my left arm as a rope. If I try to apply that literally, it feels like I'm swinging with one arm.
I have to moderate how I apply these for best results.
May not be right on target here . . . but I'd say Extensor Action is definitely a more ridgid and "active" feeling with Hitting than with Swinging. I'm probably not the guy on this one . . . I Swing and don't really think about it all that much.
Somebody else???
As far as Swinging and the left arm being a rope . .. not a bad idea to actually take some left arm only swings so you can get the feel of loading #4. How your shoulders load #4 has a big impact on where your hands go . . . I have a problem with blasting my arm out to the right too much rather than having #4 release more DOWN my chest. Hard to recover from a bad Start Down.
I have to moderate how I apply these for best results.
You and Bucket need to Man-Up. Read how many times Homer puts Extensor Action into the 12 sections of 12-3-0. Also in 6-B-1-D, the right tricep is never passive. That assumes of course that you have a right tricep to begin with.
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1-H "Because of questions of all kinds, reams of additional detail must be made available - but separately, and probably endlessly." Homer Kelly
2-H "On Plane" Right Shoulder Motion is possible only by tilting
its axis, the spine.
This led me to think that the upper spine, near the right shoulder
had to tilt back to accomodate the right shoulder to get the
shoulder on plane. The hip turn and shoulder turn makes the
axis tilt look like it is leaned back to accomodiate the right
shoulder on plane. The set up axis tilt also seemed to confirm
the same thing.
Then Yoda dropped a boom shell when he said that the bottom of
the spine moves slightly away from the target with the weight
shift (a Hip Motion). Later Lynn said "In contrast, some instructors --
perhaps even most -- teach that the top of the spine tilts away
from the Target in the Backstroke. They lable the move as an
"athletic" Pivot. I lable it a Sway".
What a great post. It cleared up so much. I certainly hope that
the forum picked up on it. The post brings up a whole new world
for current thinking. I hit 2000 balls working on the correct concept.
I feel much more leverage and a since that the right elbow is going
through impact with a lot later release and a complete hip turn
to a complete the finish.
Bucket, you had a post "Who ain't got no Axis tilt? I ain't got no
Axis tilt". Did you ever get it worked out?
For me, extensor action is difficult to take from words on a page to implementation. If I try to foucs on it by applying pressure througout the motion it adds too much tension to my hands, wrists, and motion.
I try to keep width and structure in my swing but I have to do it without tension. In other words, if my right hand were to come off the the club at the top, my right arm wouldn't immediately straighten out because I'm not apply that kind of pressure.
Similarly, I find it difficult to treat my left arm as a rope. If I try to apply that literally, it feels like I'm swinging with one arm.
I have to moderate how I apply these for best results.
Hey Trig.
If I may take a humble stab at Extensor action:
I had a similar experience with extensor action but now cant think of swinging without it. When I first employed it I felt sort of stiff and bound up.
What I now believe happened to me is this: I had, for years been very left side dominant in my swing. I used to create width with a rigid left arm, I used my left arm to push the club away etc. My left side was stiff and my right soft. This stiffness in my left side I had gotten very used to. It was my usual way. When I added extensor action both sides felt awkwardly stiff, locked up.
I was averse to relaxing my left side because it was necessary for all of my old left sided motions or actions. But TGM I would say is very right sided.
In fact I would say that learning to relax my left arm and employ extensor action was for me, an open door into the real world of TGM. All of sudden things I knew only theoretically were possible in my swing. The non cocking, level right wrist and the cocking of the left wrist via right elbow bending for instance. None of which the old me could accomplish.
Similarly my new swing couldnt be accomplished without a rope for a left arm or extensor action. Now my swing is very right sided. It feels sort of like a right arm flying wedge that stretches a relaxed left arm. The right side is under the left. The right hip goes back. The right arm takes the club away. The right elbow bends, cocking the left wrist. I bump and drive the right shoulder down plane. Etc etc. A lot of right sided stuff. I feel a clear distinction between the role of the left wrist to define the hinge action and relaxed left arm.
Anyways. I'd keep working on it. Hopefully it will be as rewarding for you as it was for me.
2-H "On Plane" Right Shoulder Motion is possible only by tilting
its axis, the spine.
This led me to think that the upper spine, near the right shoulder
had to tilt back to accomodate the right shoulder to get the
shoulder on plane. The hip turn and shoulder turn makes the
axis tilt look like it is leaned back to accomodiate the right
shoulder on plane. The set up axis tilt also seemed to confirm
the same thing.
Then Yoda dropped a boom shell when he said that the bottom of
the spine moves slightly away from the target with the weight
shift (a Hip Motion). Later Lynn said "In contrast, some instructors --
perhaps even most -- teach that the top of the spine tilts away
from the Target in the Backstroke. They lable the move as an
"athletic" Pivot. I lable it a Sway".
What a great post. It cleared up so much. I certainly hope that
the forum picked up on it. The post brings up a whole new world
for current thinking. I hit 2000 balls working on the correct concept.
I feel much more leverage and a since that the right elbow is going
through impact with a lot later release and a complete hip turn
to a complete the finish.
Bucket, you had a post "Who ain't got no Axis tilt? I ain't got no
Axis tilt". Did you ever get it worked out?
Still working on it . .. David Orr has a fantastic video on what the spine does at his site. Really really good.
Anyhow . . . Axis Tilt or the amount of tilt . . . when it tilts . . . is HUGE. First of all the top of the axis is basically the center of the shoulder turn which the left shoulder is attached to which controls low point. So you certainly want to pivot in a way that has the center of the shoulder turn . . .well . . . Centered. But then it becomes how much you slide your hips and turn your hips and where they go . . . of course the left shoulder basically locates low point and the right shoulder is part of the power package. So the shoulder turn being centered is huge for solid contact reasons . . . curvature reasons . . . angle of attack reasons . .. hand path reasons . . . plane shift reasons. . .
The axis of the spinning shoulders is big big part of the machine producing precision alignments.
Talk to me man . . . I caused a melt down at another site talking about #3 . . .
Define "the corner" of the belt, is where; the the appearence of the club is overtaking the arms, or, is it where number 3 starts to roll into impact...the big angle has a a function for one, and the little angle under the heel pad for another...a point of confusion among some
Define "the corner" of the belt, is where; the the appearence of the club is overtaking the arms, or, is it where number 3 starts to roll into impact...the big angle has a a function for one, and the little angle under the heel pad for another...a point of confusion among some
Witcha . .. so the belt is just a concept anyhow right? And the hands only move in a straight line for a very short time from the straight on view.
The belt lies on the plane . . . release motions are a combination of #2 and #3 so depending on how much #3 you have . . . it's gonna determine your belt to some degree. . . barring no plane shift.
Read how many times Homer puts Extensor Action into the 12 sections of 12-3-0. Also in 6-B-1-D, the right tricep is never passive. That assumes of course that you have a right tricep to begin with.
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