Before I dive in, lets take a quick look at Basic Strokes in general.
There are 3 Major Basic Strokes based on elbow position at the release point; Pitch, Punch, and Push. Pitch elbow location is down and in front, Punch is located down and to the side, and Push is up and out. For the most part Swingers use either Pitch or Punch, and Hitters use either Punch or Push. For the sake of brevity I'm over-generalizing here, there is more details to be found in 10-3.
There are 7 Minor Basic Strokes which Homer classifies as Arm Motions. Every golf swing uses a Major Basic Stroke in combination with a Minor Basic Stroke. Said another way, every swing has a defined elbow position combined with a defined arm motion. Minor Strokes can also be combined to execute short shots. Homer lists all of the possible combinations in section 11-0-3.
In terms of the Right Arm Swing, Homer narrowly defines it as using the 10-3-K Minor Basic Stroke called "The Bat". The Bat can be combined with either a Pitch elbow location or Punch elbow location. Homer describes The Bat stroke as "Right Elbow Hinge" in chapter 11. Next step is to explore The Bat.
Trust me....you'll wind up back with Tommy, it could take 10 or 12 years...but, you'll see the light!!! Most of the answers are in the Tomasello videos....here's one comment to key in on...."it's one smooth motion"....that statement complies with Longitudinal acceleration. Tommy does not hit with that motion....eventhough on the Australia video.....he says "hit hit hit"...it's an automatic release. Reference letter video two....when Tommy talks about filming the swing with high speed cameras (just after the 14 minute mark).
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 05-21-2008 at 08:37 PM.
Well, I tried. Sorry folks. Looks like the RAS outside of Tom is relegated to the LBG closet, once again.
Too bad, it would have been a good discussion and probably supported Toms way.
In any case, if anyone is STILL interested I can delete all member post references to Toms pattern to keep this thread on track...that is...if there is any interest.
DG - look up the wiki reference to ad-nauseum and you'll see it refers to debates that have been discussed so much, people are tired of it.
For those who pull the club primarily by the right arm and drop it (below plane or to the right-arm plane) at starting-down, are right-arm swingers, Garcia is one typical.
__________________ Yani Tseng, Go! Go! Go! Yani Tseng Did It Again! YOU load and sustain the "LAG", during which the "LAW" releases it, ideally beyond impact.
"Sustain (Yang/陽) the lag (Yin/陰)" is "the unification of Ying and Yang" (陰陽合一).
The "LAW" creates the "effect", which is the "motion" or "feel", with the "cause", which is the "intent" or "command".
"Lag" is the secret of golf, passion is the secret of life.
Think as a golfer, execute like a robot.
Rotate, twist, spin, turn. Bend the shaft.
Does this bring into the realm of possibility, the golfer who radially accelerates the club with his left arm, the LAH? In our midst? Golfing amongst us?
The Left Arm is not in a position to Push (Drive); it can only Pull (Swing). Therefore, there can be no Radial Acceleration, i.e., Left Arm Hit.
For those who pull the club primarily by the right arm and drop it (below plane or to the right-arm plane) at starting-down, are right-arm swingers, Garcia is one typical.
You have it partially right. Those who pull the club primarily by the right arm are Right Arm Swingers.
Plane shift or the appearance of the clubshaft on the elbow plane is not exclusive to a specific procedure be it swinging, right arm swinging, or hitting. So it cannot be used as a "tell-tale"
Homer has some suggestions on how to identify a RASer.
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1-H "Because of questions of all kinds, reams of additional detail must be made available - but separately, and probably endlessly." Homer Kelly
The Bat is an arm motion that uses either a Pitch or Punch elbow position. In its simplest form it is a Hit Stroke with the right wrist frozen in it impact alignments and the right arm pushing the club through impact by a straightening of the right elbow. As Homer says, "It is a quite uncomplicated procedure - The Club is an angled but rigid extension of the Right Forearm and the advisability of keeping both On Plane is the same as with the Left Arm version but is much more obvious." 10-3-K
When swinging it takes on different characteristics, most importantly that the swing center moves from the left shoulder to the right elbow. "...the Left Arm is ALWAYS SWINGING and the Right Forearm is ALWAYS DRIVING. But it is always a Left Arm Stroke unless the Right Elbow replaces the Left Shoulder as the center of Clubhead Arc." (10-3-K) I-F.
The other important distinction is the right wrist is not frozen. It is allowed to bend in varying degrees to allow Centrifugal Force to release (uncock) the clubhead and align (roll) the clubface.
Since the center of the clubhead arc is located in the Right Elbow there is less dependency on the Left Shoulder hinge pin. In terms of control, the clubshaft is held on plane by tracing a straight plane line with the right forearm 7-3., the clubhead is driven by pulling the lag pressure longitudinally with the right arm, and the clubface is still being aligned with the left wrist supported by centrifugal force.
You might ask, "Now that the center of the swing arc is the right elbow, shouldn't the ball be positioned further back in the swing to accomodate it?"
There are a couple of things to remember. First is the right forearm flying wedge with its bent and level right wrist will reach the same low point location whether the swing arc center is left shoulder or right elbow. The key is making sure there is enough right elbow bend to reach low point before the right arm is fully straight. The second point is that its still a two arm swing with the left arms role of providing checkrein action and clubface control.
To get a feel for RAS, Be O.B. - Take small pitch shots with the right arm only and left arm only. See and feel the differences and be sure to allow Centrifugal Force to uncock and roll the clubhead.
Homer left us with one Tip-off in 10-3-K for identifying a RAS and it was in most of the editions but removed from the 7th.
From the 6th edition:
"The center of the Clubhead orbit is readily transferred from the Left Shoulder to the Right Elbow. The Right Arm now is actually driving the Clubhead rather than the Left Arm and the Flat Left Wrist is now helpful but not essential – so the only tipoff to its use is the the ability to hit hard with a slightly Bent Left Wrist at Impact and/or throwing the Club in-line with the Right Arm during the Follow-through (4-D, 7-19)."
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1-H "Because of questions of all kinds, reams of additional detail must be made available - but separately, and probably endlessly." Homer Kelly
Homer provides a warning about RAS and I'm going to pass it on. In 7-19 when discussing RAS Homer warns the Hitter. "But with the Axe Handle procedures there must be a straight line piston to avoid injury of the right elbow ligaments. So, if there is a twinge in the elbow, you are Swinging the Right Arm."
In laymans terms this is called Golfers Elbow (medial epicondylitis) and it is similar to Tennis Elbow but located on the inside of the forearm rather than the outside. Its not as common as Tennis Elbow but common enough that there are Doctors offices busy treating this condition.
I'll leave you with a link but do a google search and you'll come up with plenty of information.
in chapter 11. Next step is to explore The Bat.
Most of the answers are in the Tomasello videos....here's one comment to key in on...."it's one smooth motion"....that statement complies with Longitudinal acceleration. Tommy does not hit with that motion....eventhough on the Australia video.....he says "hit hit hit"...it's an automatic release. Reference letter video two....when Tommy talks about filming the swing with high speed cameras (just after the 14 minute mark). 
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