Pretty impressive typing for having all them boogers on your key board . . . Questions on your anal . . . ysis.
What's wrong with setting the face open? Why do you think the right wrist flattens? How can he come "over the top" if he doesn't have upper body rotation?
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Dear Ugly and Stupid,
Without going into the whole hinging, clubface motion thingy- let's just say that if you set the face more open than needed- then you have to have a closing offset- the easiest of those are 1) flip, 2) over the top, 3) don't transfer weight to the lead foot- all power reducing items. So if you want to hit it out of your shadow- I'm not a fan of open faces.
The right wrist in general could flatten for a million reasons- definitely the general "off plane" motion might require it to flatten to not miss the ball. But my first few checkpoints or faults to look for would be 1) the player needs to flatten it to close the face, 2) the player is not directing the lag i.e. sweetspot to the top of the ball - but they are improperly trying to direct it where the clubface actually contacts the ball.
The over the top comment was more subtle or theoretical. Plus I didn't say or mean to say that he comes over the top- I said or meant to say that he might be loading improperly- which normally would create an over the top motion- however he compensates by standing up, which with the vertical armswing in relation to the body makes it easy to have a lot of wrist cock- which all could be compensations for the improper loading of the club.
Now, it is natural handspeed that determines the amount of release delay someone might/should have- not vica versa - so again theorizing- let's assume his natural handspeed is faster than that deep release would allow- which would leave the face open at impact- now he compensates by slowing during release- and the right wrist flattens. You can start to see the complications of the puzzle and the difficulty in properly identifying the correct cause for the perceived problem. So Bucket - are you breathing in or out on the backswing and what are your ears doing?
P.S. Bucket- I just want to make sure that we are in agreement on our contract- I get $10 for every stroke that I can increase Toolish's handicap- so if I take him from a 5 handicap to a 20 - you're going to send me $150 cash- correct?
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Frames 5,7,8 show the standing up motion- as the red marker starts on the ear in 5, and then moves away from the ball.
I think the sequences - frame by frame - will help if some one doesn't see something- it'll be easier to point out the issues by using the frames.
Also, For me- frame 8 is impact but unless I'm getting confused by the camera angle - it doesn't look like enough body rotation- the shoulders are practically square to the target- all of that is there to compensate for some "left" issue in the swing. I'd rather see Toolish's body location at impact - as it is in frame 10. But you need to not just get in a position but understand the motion that produces that position.
Finally, when you change one thing- say the right wrist doesn't flatten- then you should see the ball fly off to the right- perfect. Now, you just need to get one or more of the "block right" compensations taken out of the movement. It's not instant ball flight correction that you're looking for based on one change.
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could you explain how one works to get from impact frame 8 to an impact look frame 10? what motion would be required? This would be a faulty pivot i guess? how would you go buy explaining the required motion?
very interesting analysis bt w!
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could you explain how one works to get from impact frame 8 to an impact look frame 10? what motion would be required? This would be a faulty pivot i guess? how would you go buy explaining the required motion?
very interesting analysis bt w!
In Toolish's situation- if he didn't straighten the right arm early and flatten the right wrist then he'd have to rotate more to get to impact. But at the same time- if he's trying to hit the equator or back of the ball- then he can't continue the pivot motion- so he stops it to let the clubhead pass or catch up to the hands. Those are two ideas in relation to his movement- but really there are many, many possible situations for any particular golfer - so you have to look at your movement and figure out the puzzle.
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In Toolish's situation- if he didn't straighten the right arm early and flatten the right wrist then he'd have to rotate more to get to impact. But at the same time- if he's trying to hit the equator or back of the ball- then he can't continue the pivot motion- so he stops it to let the clubhead pass or catch up to the hands. Those are two ideas in relation to his movement- but really there are many, many possible situations for any particular golfer - so you have to look at your movement and figure out the puzzle.
I can tell you I try to hit the inside of the ball for sure...maybe I need to work on it some more and tie it in with the body rotation. Sure is all a big puzzle. Running out of right arm has always been a big problem of mine...I have never found my secret to getting more bend there. Might have to start up a to do list for the swing!
I can tell you I try to hit the inside of the ball for sure...maybe I need to work on it some more and tie it in with the body rotation. Sure is all a big puzzle. Running out of right arm has always been a big problem of mine...I have never found my secret to getting more bend there. Might have to start up a to do list for the swing!
Besides the inside of the ball- with say your 7 iron - where do you try to hit the ball- direct your lag- below the equator?, at the equator?, above the equator?, how much? If you had to precisely locate it - what dimple are you going after? Use the diagram below representing the back of the ball and a is the top of the ball, c is the equator, e is the bottom of the ball. colomn one is the ball closest to you - column 5 is the part of the ball furthest away. Dead Center back of the ball is C3
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What's you handicap or average score?
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Besides the inside of the ball- with say your 7 iron - where do you try to hit the ball- direct your lag- below the equator?, at the equator?, above the equator?, how much? If you had to precisely locate it - what dimple are you going after? Use the diagram below representing the back of the ball and a is the top of the ball, c is the equator, e is the bottom of the ball. colomn one is the ball closest to you - column 5 is the part of the ball furthest away. Dead Center back of the ball is C3
a12345
b12345
c12345
d12345
e12345
What's you handicap or average score?
Is there some sort of anti-Christ message in all that mumbojumbo you typed up there? Hey! Somebody check the back of Mike's neck for a bar code!
Ok I understand what you are getting at interms of compression . . . . and concepts etc. BUT . . . . your intent may be to do what you describe . . . but can you do it effectively if your head hangs back.
In Toolish's situation- if he didn't straighten the right arm early and flatten the right wrist then he'd have to rotate more to get to impact. But at the same time- if he's trying to hit the equator or back of the ball- then he can't continue the pivot motion- so he stops it to let the clubhead pass or catch up to the hands. Those are two ideas in relation to his movement- but really there are many, many possible situations for any particular golfer - so you have to look at your movement and figure out the puzzle.
interesting...but then, to keep the pivot going, he must aim where to keep it going throughout? inside aft? top of equator? front of the ball?
Your pivot and rotation are fine. The only thing I'd suggest is a change in your posture. More specificlly your neck is in a straight line position like Tiger and Adam Scott. I'd consider having a little bend in you neck like Nicklaus and Hogan. Downloaded your video and used the V1 software. Looks like your shoulder turn is putting too much pressure on your neck which is pulling your head slightly down and back. You might be reacting slightly to this by standing up.
The other suggestion is how you waggle. Your using the Hogan waggle. I used this for many years until watching the Jeff Hull and VJ videos. Now I trace the line with the RF.
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