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Old 09-05-2008, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Yoda View Post
Great thread; lots to learn here. Thanks to all who are participating.



Jeff, I understand and agree with your premise regarding the Swinger's passive Right Arm participation. But for me, it does not explain Hogan's desire for "three right hands". In fact, the whole notion of 'passive right arm' conflicts with it.

Here's my view:

As do all good players, Hogan sensed tremendous Clubhead Lag Pressure Point Pressure from Release to the end of the Follow-Through ('Through the Ball' per 7-24). He felt this Lag Pressure (Acceleration Rate / 2-M-2 #1) in his #3 Pressure Point (first joint of the Right Hand forefinger) and wanted more. Alas, since Clubhead Inertia can withstand all the Lag Pressure anyone can generate (7-19), there was no 'more' to get. Thus, with only one right hand, Hogan felt deficient.

Further, though Clubhead Lag Pressure only indirectly drives (7-11) the Club through Impact, it is nonetheless a dominant Feel. In fact, creating and maintaining this Lag Pressure (1-L #7) is no less than The Secret of Golf (6-C-2-0 / - A). And this indirect drive at Pressure Point #3 -- Right Hand -- is transmitted via the passive Power Accumulator #1 -- Right Elbow (6-C-2-C / 10-11-0-3).

All of which explains the Swinger's Feel ("describable sensation" per 1-J and 3-B) of the "stiff-wristed Right Forearm Slap" (Major Basic Stroke / 10-3-B) and the mantra of The Golfing Machine:

Sustain the Lag! [3-F-7-B]


Lynn, sorry for bringing this thread from the basement - but it cannot be regarded as complete without your non-TGM translation that your promised

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Old 09-06-2008, 06:08 AM
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I'm glad you did bring it back up Dariusz J. There's a lot of interesting argument.

Jeff started by saying that Hogan's lower body created the flattening of the left wrist at the start of the downswing. I think John Schlee said that this was a key move for Hogan. Only it was not produced by the lower body but rather by consciously sensing the right thumb and forefinger both fall down, and in, at the start of the downswing. If the arms don't drop I believe this will both flatten the left wrist and lessen the amount of wrist cock he would be playing with through the ball. It gives the appearance of being laid off but not in a bad way I don't think. Would this increase his lag pressure? He may have been using both inertia and gravity.

It may also explain part of the downcocking appearance he gives through the ball. This move is clearly evident in that famous sequence from Andrisani's book.

I find it very interesting that in Modern Fundamentals he says that the right thumb and forefinger are not to be used but then qualifies this warning by saying that they may be used for finesse shots for the better player. I always thought this was referring to the short game and wedge shots but perhaps not.
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Old 09-06-2008, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by mrose View Post
I'm glad you did bring it back up Dariusz J. There's a lot of interesting argument.

Jeff started by saying that Hogan's lower body created the flattening of the left wrist at the start of the downswing. I think John Schlee said that this was a key move for Hogan. Only it was not produced by the lower body but rather by consciously sensing the right thumb and forefinger both fall down, and in, at the start of the downswing. If the arms don't drop I believe this will both flatten the left wrist and lessen the amount of wrist cock he would be playing with through the ball. It gives the appearance of being laid off but not in a bad way I don't think. Would this increase his lag pressure? He may have been using both inertia and gravity.

It may also explain part of the downcocking appearance he gives through the ball. This move is clearly evident in that famous sequence from Andrisani's book.

I find it very interesting that in Modern Fundamentals he says that the right thumb and forefinger are not to be used but then qualifies this warning by saying that they may be used for finesse shots for the better player. I always thought this was referring to the short game and wedge shots but perhaps not.
have a look at the tom tomasello letters if they are still around which shows a concept on this wrist/forarm throw down and out behind the player...
lower body motion would not make that happen...gravity and a heavy club could but hogan probably was a bit smarter than "hoping for the best"
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