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Old 09-23-2008, 10:00 AM
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Okie,

Thanks again for your thoughtful reply...I'm pretty sure you just nailed the solution..Thinking it over more clearly I do place the ball further back (at least a ball) for slightly uphill and downhill shots...This is probably exactly why I haven't seen the pop up on the flat range...I'll also find out the best solution for me when the geometery is off and I tend to naturally put it back in the stance when I have a funky lie..

Also I like your rule about the reasonable divot length and will experiment with that as well through the bag..I might not even have to hit a shot to fix this problem now that I've seen the most likely solution..Maybe the best lesson ever for me! and I've been playing for over 30 years...Thanks..

Also, understanding golf methodologies and short game are my thing..If I can help you in any way just give me a jingle..

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Old 09-23-2008, 01:21 PM
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I hope that you sort it out. Thanks for the offer. I am curious to know what you mean by golfing methodologies? Is that reference to knowledge about different teaching styles etc.?
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Old 09-23-2008, 02:17 PM
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I've had lessons from Led, Ballard, Gary Smith, Paul Moran, Sorrell, Robert Baker to name a few popular ones ...To me Ballard, Sorrell, "SliceFixer", and TGM are all different methods to get the job done...One method says your head moves 18 inches to left and is a fault if your head fixates at any point..And another says your head must remain fixed throughout most of the swing...I see a style difference as hitting versus swinging in TGM...Whether hitting or swinging is your style, you must keep your head fixed/FLV or the machine won't work too well..
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Old 09-23-2008, 06:44 PM
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I've had lessons from Led, Ballard, Gary Smith, Paul Moran, Sorrell, Robert Baker to name a few popular ones ...To me Ballard, Sorrell, "SliceFixer", and TGM are all different methods to get the job done...One method says your head moves 18 inches to left and is a fault if your head fixates at any point..And another says your head must remain fixed throughout most of the swing...I see a style difference as hitting versus swinging in TGM...Whether hitting or swinging is your style, you must keep your head fixed/FLV or the machine won't work too well..
I understand that Homer wrote, "stationary" but Homer himself did not have a stationary head in his swing ttp://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery/images/mm-ms.gif. Why?
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Old 09-23-2008, 07:08 PM
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I understand that Homer wrote, "stationary" but Homer himself did not have a stationary head in his swing ttp://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery/images/mm-ms.gif. Why?
Bad camara work, lack of flexibility, emphasing a point, using 10-13-A Standard Shoulder Turn without adaquate Waist Bend from the hips sockets.
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Old 09-24-2008, 08:54 AM
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Take that! Is is possible to keep the head perfectly stationary? I think not, but that is the ideal, and I do not believe you have to have zero deviation...but less is best. The steadier my head is the better I strike it. It is a testment to innate balance of tour players whose heads resemble bouyeys on a choppy sea! I not this particular topic is well worn but...no but...just wanted to post!
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Old 09-24-2008, 09:24 AM
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Take that! Is is possible to keep the head perfectly stationary? I think not, but that is the ideal, and I do not believe you have to have zero deviation...but less is best. The steadier my head is the better I strike it. It is a testment to innate balance of tour players whose heads resemble bouyeys on a choppy sea! I not this particular topic is well worn but...no but...just wanted to post!
Agreed and let's not start it up again!
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Old 09-24-2008, 09:30 AM
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I understand that Homer wrote, "stationary" but Homer himself did not have a stationary head in his swing ttp://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery/images/mm-ms.gif. Why?
One additional comment regarding Mr. Kelley. He always view himself as a "researcher" and not a "performer". So like the pictures in the book, if he was trying to get "a" point accross, his actions were not intended as a reference to any other aspect which his demonstration may include incidentally.
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Old 09-24-2008, 10:05 AM
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I've had lessons from Led, Ballard, Gary Smith, Paul Moran, Sorrell, Robert Baker to name a few popular ones ...To me Ballard, Sorrell, "SliceFixer", and TGM are all different methods to get the job done...One method says your head moves 18 inches to left and is a fault if your head fixates at any point..And another says your head must remain fixed throughout most of the swing...I see a style difference as hitting versus swinging in TGM...Whether hitting or swinging is your style, you must keep your head fixed/FLV or the machine won't work too well..
I am surprised that nobody responded to your analysis mashie72. Permit me. TGM is not a method, but does indeed support all workable methods. It is the physics of rotation and the gemoteric apodictic certainties that govern ALL golf strokes, seeings they are all subject to the laws of force and motion. 24 components, 144 variations = a verititble buffet of golf stroke options. It is a systematic approach that supports MY WAY, but never THE WAY. It is a teacher's perogative to teach a favored stroke pattern (Homer expressed preferences) but their preference is not THE law, but to be worth anything it must be based on law. Outside of TGM the tendency is towards positions, whereas TGM is rooted in alignments. People think they understand that distinction, but I have expereince serendipitous wonder on that idea more than once!

Listening to Led and his protege Baker they are describing fleeting feelings with little mechanical substance. Mechanics produces the feel (if you are look...look...looking!) And then feel reproduces the mechanics with scientific precision. Automation is the utilization of the precision of science...concerning the golf stroke anyway. Some are automatically bad, others are learning to harness the forces of nature.

TGM is a philosophy that is driven by the true order of things. I believe it is unsurpassed in its ability to describe what is actually taking place. The ignorant and the arrogant suggest it is a cult. That is of course simply non-conformity to the true nature of things (that is for Bucket!) I think the golf puzzle was solved. Understanding the proof HK provided is the only quest that still remains. Endless info is still being provided...people have still gotta eat.

I'm interested in your experiences with such luminaries as long as we acknowledge that there is little or no parity with TGM!

Forgive me...Okie is ornery today!
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Old 09-24-2008, 10:59 AM
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mashie72,

Not sure if you're familiar with 1-L-18, but plane angle effects ball position.

A quote from Mr. Kelly.
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The steeper the plane, the farther forward the ball has to be to get closer to low point, so that you won't go down so far.
This might be a factor if there is any "side hill" element to the up hill/down hill lies you describe.
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