The Right Arm and the Flail.

[Jeff]

Pistol

The pitch elbow orientation is not a theory, but an anatomical necessity, and it doesn't only apply to Hogan. It applies to all swingers.

Here is a simple experiment. Place your palms together in front of your body in the "clap hands" position. Then clap with only your right hand. To get your right palm to hit your left palm square, you have to move your right elbow in a particular way (pitch elbow and not push elbow orientation). During the clap hand backsroke movement, the right forearm fans out due to external rotation of the right upper arm at the shoulder joint (and not due to any forearm rotation) while the right elbow moves in a pitching fashion. Then during the forward stroke, the process is reversed so that the right palm hits the left palm square. If the right elbow is allowed to jut out backwards into a push position, then it is impossible to get the right forearm to paddlewheel into slap-impact so that the right palm is perfectly parallel to the left palm at slap-impact.

Another experiment with a hammer. Stand opposite a doorway and imagine that you are trying to hammer a nail horizontally into the doorjam at mid-thigh level. It is only possible to get the hammer to hit the nail squarely if the right elbow moves into a pitch elbow position. If the right elbow folllows the hands - with the right elbow in a push position - then it is impossible to hit the nail squarely. The hammer will approach the nail from an out-to-in direction, instead of an in-to-square direction.

Tiger Woods, Jim Furyk and David Toms have very different backswing movements, but all three golfers have the same right elbow pitch position during the downswing - which allows their right forearm to paddlewheel into impact so that the right forearm is directly behind the shaft at impact with their right palm squarely facing the target.

Jeff.

[pistol]

Pistol

The pitch elbow orientation is not a theory, but an anatomical necessity, and it doesn't only apply to Hogan. It applies to all swingers.

Here is a simple experiment. Place your palms together in front of your body in the "clap hands" position. Then clap with only your right hand. To get your right palm to hit your left palm square, you have to move your right elbow in a particular way (pitch elbow and not push elbow orientation). During the clap hand backsroke movement, the right forearm fans out due to external rotation of the right upper arm at the shoulder joint (and not due to any forearm rotation) while the right elbow moves in a pitching fashion. Then during the forward stroke, the process is reversed so that the right palm hits the left palm square. If the right elbow is allowed to jut out backwards into a push position, then it is impossible to get the right forearm to paddlewheel into slap-impact so that the right palm is perfectly parallel to the left palm at slap-impact.

Another experiment with a hammer. Stand opposite a doorway and imagine that you are trying to hammer a nail horizontally into the doorjam at mid-thigh level. It is only possible to get the hammer to hit the nail squarely if the right elbow moves into a pitch elbow position. If the right elbow folllows the hands - with the right elbow in a push position - then it is impossible to hit the nail squarely. The hammer will approach the nail from an out-to-in direction, instead of an in-to-square direction.

Tiger Woods, Jim Furyk and David Toms have very different backswing movements, but all three golfers have the same right elbow pitch position during the downswing - which allows their right forearm to paddlewheel into impact so that the right forearm is directly behind the shaft at impact with their right palm squarely facing the target.

Jeff.

so jeff you saying woods,toms,furyk are all swingers with a pitch elbow and paddlewheel the right forearm ?

[Jeff]

Pistol - Yes

I think that Toms, Furyk and Woods bring their right elbow into their right hip area with the elbow leading the hands, and this enables the right forearm to fan into impact so that the right palm faces the target at impact.



Furyk has his right elbow slightly behind the right hip in a punch position (10-3-A) while Woods is more in a pitch position (10-3-B). According to HK, these positions are similar in that they allow a fanning of the right forearm into impact, with the only difference being that 10-3-B allows the right elbow to lead the hands further into the release, which allows for a later trigger delay and a snap release.

None of these golfers has the right elbow in a push position - an "up-and-out" elbow position that keeps the hands always between the right elbow and the ball.

Jeff.

[pistol]

Pistol - Yes

I think that Toms, Furyk and Woods bring their right elbow into their right hip area with the elbow leading the hands, and this enables the right forearm to fan into impact so that the right palm faces the target at impact.



Furyk has his right elbow slightly behind the right hip in a punch position (10-3-A) while Woods is more in a pitch position (10-3-B). According to HK, these positions are similar in that they allow a fanning of the right forearm into impact, with the only difference being that 10-3-B allows the right elbow to lead the hands further into the release, which allows for a later trigger delay and a snap release.

None of these golfers has the right elbow in a push position - an "up-and-out" elbow position that keeps the hands always between the right elbow and the ball.

Jeff.

Jeff you have convinced me . I tell you there is some GSED credentials floating around who think a lot different to you on this but who cares its way more interesting reading your analysis