Hula like pivot

[KevCarter]

Yoda - here is the photo from VJ Trolio's book.



Feel free to make a comment?

Jeff.

I am a big fan of Mr. Trolios book, and of these swing pictures of Mr. Hogan. How would we define this swing component in The Golfing Machine as far as VJ's theory?

My first thought was changing component 10-14 to 10-14-D Reverse Hips, but perhaps 10-14-C Shiftless is more applicable. Am I even using the proper thought process?

Apologies in advance if it's a silly question, just trying to learn...

Thanks,
Kevin

[Rhythm]

"I'm not sure this is a "true" top pic . . . it's startdown."


I think it is closer to top. Which is the point VJ makes in his book. He is over there before he starts down. Which does make it top. You can tell when you see the video, the shaft is not stressed yet when his lower body is already shifted.
So he get its over there, then starts down. I believe Vj has the sequence correct.

[12 piece bucket]

"I'm not sure this is a "true" top pic . . . it's startdown."


I think it is closer to top. Which is the point VJ makes in his book. He is over there before he starts down. Which does make it top. You can tell when you see the video, the shaft is not stressed yet when his lower body is already shifted.
So he get its over there, then starts down. I believe Vj has the sequence correct.

Maybe . . . .

But what I will say is IF Hogan has created proverbial "PIE" at Top (which I'm not sure he has by strict definition) . . . he HAS NOT DONE IT by moving his head off the ball like some sort of Jimmy Ballard type move.

IF he makes it . . . it's because his hips went forward at some point NOT because his upper body went right.

AND again . . . . you can find swings were Hogan doesn't do that move in the backstroke.

But the thread was about Hula Hula . . . . Hogan's head doesn't "load" right much typically but his hips do go right and then back left again . .. and then they continue going left as much as anybody that has laced 'em up. . . . HULA HULA.

[Jeff]

12PB

You wrote-: "NOT Yoda . . . but most of that spine is left . . . Looks like the upper and lower are pretty much lined up".

We see reality very differently. I see the classic Hogan reverse K position with a lot of rightwards torso/spinal tilt. The upper torso/spine is only left-of-center because his entire pivoting body is left-of-center. That body-left-of-center pivot is classically seen in the S&T swing (where the body is loaded over the left leg and not the right leg at the end-backswing position) - but S&T golfers don't have a rightwards spinal tilt like Hogan.

Jeff.

[12 piece bucket]

12PB

You wrote-: "NOT Yoda . . . but most of that spine is left . . . Looks like the upper and lower are pretty much lined up".

We see reality very differently. I see the classic Hogan reverse K position with a lot of rightwards torso/spinal tilt. The upper torso/spine is only left-of-center because his entire pivoting body is left-of-center. That body-left-of-center pivot is classically seen in the S&T swing (where the body is loaded over the left leg and not the right leg at the end-backswing position) - but S&T golfers don't have a rightwards spinal tilt like Hogan.

Jeff.

Not here . .. .

[Jeff]

Nor here



Jeff.

[12 piece bucket]

Nor here



Jeff.

Could it be that Hogan had a big giant azz and barkley hips that is distorting some of this?

Jeff is there a frame between the address and the top? I think he pushes his hips right and then they go left early back to his original address waste bend giving the impression that he baked a lil' pie at the top. When his backfield has really reversed field.

Again . . . I think people can find a Hogan motion to support several pivot theories . . . He could manipulate everything . . . . true genius.

[Jeff]

12PB

You wrote-: "Jeff is there a frame between the address and the top? I think he pushes his hips right and then they go left early back to his original address waste bend giving the impression that he baked a lil' pie at the top. When his backfield has really reversed field."

There are many missing frames. Hogan definitely moves his pelvis left-laterally during the late backswing (when his club is still moving backwards).

I am not sure why Yoda wanted to discuss Hogan's move. He may have a particular point that he wants to make.

Jeff.

p.s. As a side-issue, Yoda states in his Alignment Golf DVD that one should center the head between the feet at address, and then acquire rightwards spinal tilt by shifting the pelvis left-laterally. Hogan doesn't do that - you can see that his head is behind the center of his stance at address. He also moves his head ahead of that center line during the downswing.