Clubshaft orbit through the impact zone

[O.B.Left]

I tend to agree. However, a small but important implication is that in case of a center-shafted club the shaft plane = the sweetspot plane.
Therefore, we can go further and create a variable weighted toe/heel of such a club and see if e.g. with a heavy toe/light heel center shafted club (imitating the proportions of a standard club to a degree) the shaft plane still equals the sweetspot plane.

Cheers

Not sure I follow you 100%, but Id think that with a heavier toe the sweet spot would move and you'd be back to a non aligned shaft and sweet spot.

All of this begs the question: Why arent there face balanced , center shafted irons? There must be a very good reason. We must need the rotation perhaps? Or is there something else? Homer suggested the long nosed, low profile irons of the 1930's were a delight to hit.

I've sort of struggled with tracing conceptually as there seemed to be a parallax issue. I now realize that while I was swinging the sweet spot, I was trying to trace the shaft plane. Lukes point about tracing the sweet spot plane, the imaginary string from #3 to sweet spot is insightful. Like pointing your finger at a bird in flight, tracing. This way I am aiming that which I am swinging, the sweet spot!

Per 2-F PLANE OF MOTION. "Regardless of where the Clubshaft and Clubhead are attached it will always feel as if they are joined at the Sweet Spot---the longitudinal center of gravity, the line of pull of Centrifugal Force."

Regards
OB

[Dariusz J.]

All of this begs the question: Why arent there face balanced , center shafted irons? There must be a very good reason. We must need the rotation perhaps? Or is there something else? Homer suggested the long nosed, low profile irons of the 1930's were a delight to hit.

OB

That's the point ! Hell knows why aren't there face balanced clubs, but IMO not because someone wanted to make golfer's life harder.
I would risk to say that because of tradition. Backing to the middleages when golfers played with wooden stick bent at one end (looking similarily to a walking stick for elderly people)...and it was much easier to manyfacture it instead manufacturing a center shafted club.
Sir Winston Ch. could be right - we are playing with tools that are wrongly designed to this goal...

Cheers

[O.B.Left]

That's the point ! Hell knows why aren't there face balanced clubs, but IMO not because someone wanted to make golfer's life harder.
I would risk to say that because of tradition. Backing to the middleages when golfers played with wooden stick bent at one end (looking similarily to a walking stick for elderly people)...and it was much easier to manyfacture it instead manufacturing a center shafted club.
Sir Winston Ch. could be right - we are playing with tools that are wrongly designed to this goal...

Cheers

Maybe but I tend to think that there is a very good reason that manufacturers dont make clubs that way. I think. They would never lie to us would they? No need for an answer. Remember titanium centered golf balls?

Perhaps trying a center shafted, face balanced putter at full speed vs a heel shafted, toe drop one would answer this question but maybe ruin some putters. Im thinking that with the face balanced one it would be harder to control the initial direction of the ball (face angle) and less powerful. Just a guess though.

I do know that Homer thought the old school 1930's longer nosed irons enabled CF to "have more control over the alignment of the club face, more powerful, more difficult to disturb".

Here is the link to the Croker sites audio tape. Its mainly about hip motion, action, Hula Hula etc but about 5 minutes in there is some stuff relevant to this discussion.

http://www.crokergolfsystem.com/Home...n_2-64kbps.mp3


Cheers

OB

[no_mind_golfer]

That's the point ! Hell knows why aren't there face balanced clubs, but IMO not because someone wanted to make golfer's life harder.
I would risk to say that because of tradition. Backing to the middleages when golfers played with wooden stick bent at one end (looking similarily to a walking stick for elderly people)...and it was much easier to manyfacture it instead manufacturing a center shafted club.
Sir Winston Ch. could be right - we are playing with tools that are wrongly designed to this goal...

Cheers

I agree... Its because golf clubs are "supposed to look that way". So many sub optimal things we get stuck with because of decision made long before. Someone mentioned the standard keyboard which was deliberately "de-tuned" to slow typists down to avoid jamming in ancient mechanical devices.

I'd like to see someone risk it ... at least for the driver which bends every which way due to inertial forces.