This is one of those pieces of the swing that I doubt I ever would have ever gotten right on my own. The folding right arm started much earlier and felt much more 'up' than I ever imagined, even after reading dozens of posts on the right forarm pickup (I had a 'duh' moment at Cuscowilla with this one). There is a lot of seemingly conflicting pieces of advice around this topic and it's easy to lose site of just tracing the plane line - eg. use less pivot and let the hands lead vs. use more to be sure and clear the right hip, don't lift the arms vs. lift the club from the start, etc... For me extensor action with an earlier bending, 'lifting' right arm was the trick that helped my pivot start taking orders from my hands on the way back. For the most part, the right arm is just folding up and down, and the pivot responds as needed to my intent to trace the plane line. Again for me that meant a little more active right arm and pivot with less active hands, but I imagine it could be totally different for others.
Thanks, Ben.
There is a terrific video in your post. It may not be 'Moses at The Parting', but for TGMers, it would be close.
My incongruent economic lives -- and my own inertia -- collide in this deficit.
Bam Bam isn't the only one that had a ah ha at Cuscowilla. McHatton says there is no "up" in the golf swing ! Other past teachers all the way back to Ballard had implied the same. I though the pivot put the hands where they needed to go at the top. Since I received "permission to bend the left arm"(left handed golfer) at Cuscowilla and "drink a beer" it has made more sense. I always wondered how the hands got up with a flat shoulder turn. Bend over more and the hands would go more up than around etc. At my age it is critical that my failing brain is not exposed to wrong information. I want just the facts, cut to the chase. I am glad yoda posed his questions and redirected things. Now it is time to hear his answers to his own questions and a summary of the good posts of others. There have been many. Ben Doyle talked about "golf thoughts", tennis thoughts, bike riding thoughts etc". I am convinced that the golf thoughts of, and those endorsed by competent TGMers would be a usable manual for all. Golf thoughts of non TGMers are best left to them. I come to this site to etch in my brain facts I know are reliable and to erase those that are not. Oh, is it true that the Brits are eliminating the apostrophe ??
I'm still a little shaky on how to trace the plane line with the #3 pp. But as a side note to the previous discussion on pivot to hands vs hands to pivot, it occurs to me that if your mind is on you pivot , tracing is likely non existent. Is that right?
I'm still a little shaky on how to trace the plane line with the #3 pp. But as a side note to the previous discussion on pivot to hands vs hands to pivot, it occurs to me that if your mind is on you pivot , tracing is likely non existent or problematic at best. Is that right? Although still better than monitoring the clubhead.
Here is a YodasLuke post from my old TGM file. I dont have the 7th edition but find this interesting.
I'm still a little shaky on how to trace the plane line with the #3 pp. But as a side note to the previous discussion on pivot to hands vs hands to pivot, it occurs to me that if your mind is on you pivot , tracing is likely non existent or problematic at best. Is that right? Although still better than monitoring the clubhead.
Here is a YodasLuke post from my old TGM file. I dont have the 7th edition but find this interesting.
You cannot trace the plane line if you allow your hands to rise above the elbow plane because you use a Punch Elbow Position. If your hands go above the elbow plane, you must shift planes on the downstroke to the elbow plane before you can trace anything.
In other words. Your Hands at Impact fix, have already told the pivot what to do. Your hands said, "I'm going to swing on a elbow plane, so you, my pivot, get ready to move them back down this plane", and your pivot said, "ok, but if you switch planes on me at the top of the swing, like you always do, then I won't be ready, so don't blame me if things get screwed up again."
The Plane Angle inclination is set at impact fix and there is no changing that. If your Hands go above that plane at the top of your backstroke, you can only trace an outside-in path accross the planeline.
The Plane Angle inclination is set at impact fix and there is no changing that. If your Hands go above that plane at the top of your backstroke, you can only trace an outside-in path accross the planeline.
What about 1-L-18, Changing the Plane Angle has no effect on the Plane Line.
I'm still a little shaky on how to trace the plane line with the #3 pp. But as a side note to the previous discussion on pivot to hands vs hands to pivot, it occurs to me that if your mind is on you pivot , tracing is likely non existent. Is that right?
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