Bio Mechanics

[bioengine]

What if I just stop them completely?

your arms decelerating isn't something you physically try and do in the golf swing, If you try to achieve arm deceleration physically you will hit the ball fat.

The arms slow down they don't actually come to a complete stop.

Each body segment accelerates and decelerates. This must occur for the law of conservation to work.The reason for deceleration of each segment is so speed can be transferred to the next body segment.

In order for this to work you effectively you need 6-M-1 (kinetic link) conservation of momentum and Muscular loading.
If you have all these combinations each body segment will accelerate and decelerate and pass speed to next segment.
(This happen naturally) This continues up through your kinetic Link (6-M-1). Hips,upper body,arms,until distal end speed is transferred to the club.
This all happens naturally when you have trained your body how to create conservation of momentum and muscular loading.

These events you can apply physically by going to the practice fairway grinding balls.

Regarding the SSC this is complicated topic to speak about and for people to understand SSC and muscular loading I would need to write a 50 page essay.There's mountains of information you need to learn, to develop an understanding how this works in the golf swing.

Weetbix.
What do you mean by this below????
Absolutely. Sooner the better. Somewhere around you right ear would work best for you I suspect

Not sure what you mean here ???

[Daryl]

I was just screwing with Weetbix.

I agree with much of this but not that deceleration is needed to transfer momentum to the next acceleration stage.

I feel that my own Pivot supplies all of the Work. I also feel that the work that the Pivot provides is separate but synchronized with the Downstroke Acceleration sequence of my Power Package.

My Pivot components don't slow or stop and are sequenced to provide continuous motion and power to the Swing. My Hips lead and power the Shoulders throughout the Downstroke. My Shoulders trail my hips at least until the Finish Swivel.

Foot, knee and Hip Actions are sequenced. Keep in mind that Foot loading is different for Straight and Circle Delivery Paths. So, the Pivot will look different, sequence differently and provide different work. Foot loading is vastly important. Without sensing and sequencing the Ground pressures through my feet and allowing my feet to increase and decrease these pressures, It's difficult to move the Hips very far and it's not possible for the Hips to drive the shoulders through Impact and beyond. Ground Pressures are very powerful and yet can be very sensitive and delicate around the greens. The Sequence doesn't change but the pressures and spacing and pacing of the components changes to fit the shot at hand. It's almost unconscious.

All of this was taught to me by Yoda, years ago.

[stinkler]

If there is no deceleration then lag/wrist cock would be sustained until well past the ball, and you wouldn't actually hit it! The arms have to decelerate for the wrist cock to be released surely?? It works the same for the rest of the sequence, hips/shoulders/arms yes? That's how I understand it.

[Daryl]

If there is no deceleration then lag/wrist cock would be sustained until well past the ball, and you wouldn't actually hit it! The arms have to decelerate for the wrist cock to be released surely?? It works the same for the rest of the sequence, hips/shoulders/arms yes? That's how I understand it.

No. Never.

[stinkler]

Yes, always.

[stinkler]

Of course I'm keen to hear more though Daryl! I'm willing to learn something new each day,,,,

[manko65]

Daryl
In all respect how do you know you dont(should) decelerate each segment, hips, trunk, arms, as part of your swing? My understanding of summation of segments for increasing velocity etc is dependent on each prior segment slowing to enhance the transfer to the next segment.
Do you think you dont decelerate or have you measured data that says you dont?

[no_mind_golfer]

Release (lag/wrist cock) is NOT caused by deceleration. That is a myth.

If there is no deceleration then lag/wrist cock would be sustained until well past the ball, and you wouldn't actually hit it! The arms have to decelerate for the wrist cock to be released surely?? It works the same for the rest of the sequence, hips/shoulders/arms yes? That's how I understand it.

[Daryl]

Release (lag/wrist cock) is NOT caused by deceleration. That is a myth.

Hey No_Mind, I'm counting. I think that this is the second time we agreed.

[bioengine]

I was just screwing with Weetbix.

I agree with much of this but not that deceleration is needed to transfer momentum to the next acceleration stage.

I feel that my own Pivot supplies all of the Work. I also feel that the work that the Pivot provides is separate but synchronized with the Downstroke Acceleration sequence of my Power Package.

My Pivot components don't slow or stop and are sequenced to provide continuous motion and power to the Swing. My Hips lead and power the Shoulders throughout the Downstroke. My Shoulders trail my hips at least until the Finish Swivel.

Foot, knee and Hip Actions are sequenced. Keep in mind that Foot loading is different for Straight and Circle Delivery Paths. So, the Pivot will look different, sequence differently and provide different work. Foot loading is vastly important. Without sensing and sequencing the Ground pressures through my feet and allowing my feet to increase and decrease these pressures, It's difficult to move the Hips very far and it's not possible for the Hips to drive the shoulders through Impact and beyond. Ground Pressures are very powerful and yet can be very sensitive and delicate around the greens. The Sequence doesn't change but the pressures and spacing and pacing of the components changes to fit the shot at hand. It's almost unconscious.

All of this was taught to me by Yoda, years ago.

Daryl,
How do you know, unless your have been tested to measures your body speed etc how do you know if they are accelerating and decelerating.
You can't no one can.
Myself I can't even feel these events occurring, the body is moving so fast you can't sense acceleration and deceleration occurring.

Daryl your going on your beliefs here. here's how conservation of momentum work
Formula M1*V1=-M2*V2
example
The above equation is one statement of the law of momentum conservation. In a collision, the momentum change of object 1 is equal to and opposite of the momentum change of object 2. That is, the momentum lost by object 1 is equal to the momentum gained by object 2. In most collisions between two objects, one object slows down and loses momentum while the other object speeds up and gains momentum. If object 1 loses 75 units of momentum, then object 2 gains 75 units of momentum. Yet, the total momentum of the two objects (object 1 plus object 2) is the same before the collision as it is after the collision. The total momentum of the system (the collection of two objects) is conserved.

In golf you need 6-M-1, conservation of momentum and muscular loading which fires each body segment to continue to create velocity(speed) until the distal end speed reaches the club.
Each body segment must accel/decl to transfer speed.

No beliefs or opinions, pure physics and measured science to back the theories.

Daryl, I could understand why your not doing this in your golf swing, if you were accelerating and decelerating each body segment you wouldn't be here you would be out on tour winning.
We all would be out there winning LOL.

As I say to everyday to those who argue, where is there measured science and research to back their beliefs and where is there measured science and research to prove us wrong. And what back ground or understanding do they have in biomechanics and movement patterns. SO they stop and think for minute so they open up their minds to other avneues.

Although the laws of physics all the biomechanists are on the same page, they all agree on newton's laws, conservation of momentum and the kinetic link. This is applied in all bat and ball sport.Not only golf we work with athlete's in many other sports and has tens of thousands athletes data. Years of research involved.

As I said no beliefs or opinions, we have research, measured science and Pure physics.