Bobby Shave demonstrating the Melhourne Grass Whip exercise: Circle Path Delivery Pivot.
Active Hands and Arms. Ground Forces: (Left Foot -Right Foot - Left Foot), (Left Foot -Right Foot - Left Foot), (Left Foot -Right Foot - Left Foot)
Ben Doyle: Straight Line Delivery Path Pivot.
Hands are clamps, arms are strings. Ground Forces: (Left Ball, Right Heel, Left Heel, Right Ball),(Left Ball, Right Heel, Left Heel, Right Ball), (Left Ball, Right Heel, Left Heel, Right Ball), (Left Ball, Right Heel, Left Heel, Right Ball)
"Ground Forces" ? You've been hanging with the biomechanics guys again, havent you?
Agreed on Shave, arms and hands are active. Not so with Hogan. Who knows about Wild Bills actual version? But Ill take his prize student, Ben Hogans version of the Melhourne drill. In regard to circle path, Im thinking that when you reverse your swing, axis tilt gets left behind in favour of mirror image motions. The point being that it isnt a golf motion but a grass cutting motion from yester year. But it wouldnt be hard to incorporate a golf like axis tilt, hip action, if you wanted to. I can personally alternate hitting and swinging, or high,low whatever while walking the line hitting balls. D you gotta try this, I love it.
As for Ben, he cant stand on one leg anymore, would be my note there and only the left arm is a string,not both of em. Have you no structure, no EA? I like Bens action though, standard wrist action and then all pivot into the bag.
McDonald has it going on. The arms swing independent of the shoulders, ground forces like Doyle, no active hands etc etc. He is even talking directly to you Daryl in the last paragraphs of Exercise 11. Yes YOU.
I've been playing the best golf in my life this year. But, if I pull with my arms or hit with may hands, with just an ounce, I lose the sound of compression and I can tell from comparative ball flights that something is different.
Hands aim, pivot does the work. I remind myself every day so that I never forget.
Thats pretty much where Im at these days too. Lagging takeaway, float loading. Am I thrusting? I dunno. Just really trying to sustain the same pressure in my #3 as long as I can , which requires a steady and constant rate of acceleration. Which means I start off slow so I can maintain the rate. Right hand karate chop maybe?
But D if you can do this "Pivot does the work" thing going down and call it Hands to Pivot why cant you subscribe to a similar thing going back? I do. As long as the Hands direct which can be seen in an on plane clubshaft , it is Hands to Pivot aint it?
I think if you're tracing the Plane line and the Pivot is responding to that, then the #3 PP maintains its relationship to the plane line. Hands Controlled Pivot.
I think if you're tracing the Plane line and the Pivot is responding to that, then the #3 PP maintains its relationship to the plane line. Hands Controlled Pivot.
I like this. Going down everyone would agree, Hands to Pivot, although the Pivot powers the power package. Going back is where peoples opinions differ.
If the pivot provides some power in addition to or prior to RFT even in startup but the #3 is still tracing, your statement still holds true to my thinking. Hands to Pivot. In essence if you are Tracing , Hands to Pivot.
A Lagging Takeaway in particular, I find, needs the pivots help to power the initial move away from the ball. A pure Carry Back motion wouldnt need it as much. The Physics of getting the pivot going early is not a requisite maybe, for some, depends on your motion. Im thinking the more Hogan like you are the more you need to do it. The more Rope Handle, the more you swing from the feet maybe. But everyone needs to pre clear the right hip for geometric reasons. see 12-3-0
I personally subscribe to the right hip clearing actually moving the clubhead a touch prior to the RFT assuming a lightly soled, hung set of Flying Wedges with a level left wrist. The perfect start to a Lagging Takeaway. You need the no tension, homeostatic, hanging set of wrists though. Like Hogans two pistols.
Dang I was so happy Hitting and then I started watching the Hogan in Mexico video every night .................. his Rope Handle motion is so beguiling.
Thats pretty much where Im at these days too. Lagging takeaway, float loading. Am I thrusting? I dunno. Just really trying to sustain the same pressure in my #3 as long as I can , which requires a steady and constant rate of acceleration. Which means I start off slow so I can maintain the rate. Right hand karate chop maybe?
But D if you can do this "Pivot does the work" thing going down and call it Hands to Pivot why cant you subscribe to a similar thing going back? I do. As long as the Hands direct which can be seen in an on plane clubshaft , it is Hands to Pivot aint it?
I had this very conversation with Yoda today. The hips can move first in start up and still maintain hands controlled pivot. I had misunderstood it completely. Fun to learn from the Great One!
Kevin
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I could be wrong. I have been before, and will be again.
I had this very conversation with Yoda today. The hips can move first in start up and still maintain hands controlled pivot. I had misunderstood it completely. Fun to learn from the Great One!
Kevin
Hi Kevin,
Here's another Great One.
From "Homers Notes" (Vikram). I can't speak for the notes. They were transcribed by Chuck from recorded audio which included information for the 7th Edition revisions. I didn't record them and I don't know the context.
Quote:
Hip Action - The hip action turns the shoulders in various combination's. But leading the backstroke with hip action is Pivot controlled Hands. Hip action is work and must be controlled.
Hip Motion is not work. I suppose that if your Hip Turn doesn't disturb the Hands relationship with the Plane Line.
Pivot controlled hands occurs when the #3 pressure point senses and maintains a relationship to the Pivoting Body. The Hands go along for the ride.
I had this very conversation with Yoda today. The hips can move first in start up and still maintain hands controlled pivot. I had misunderstood it completely. Fun to learn from the Great One!
Kevin
Funny. My hips move first but I'm not trying to move them. I'm just trying to fan my right forearm and the hips take off. Whenever I try to restrict this hip movement it's a disaster so I just live with it for now. Good to hear Yoda is ok with this. I thought I was doing something wrong.
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