I don't think I'm going to nail this, but perhaps move us in the proper direction?
In my opinion, what OB described is pivot lag, or the kinematic sequence which is what 6-M-1 means to me.
Accumulator lag is angles. A visual would be the angle between left wrist and shaft created when employing the #2 accumulator. You can see Accumulator lag. I think many confuse accumulator lag with a late or "snap" release.
Clubhead lag is pressure. #3 Pressure point would be a great thing to monitor for clubhead lag, that's why the PBS is so popular. You can't see clubhead lag. One of my favorite quotes from YODA came from Alignment Golf:
THE SECRET OF GOLF IS NOT A POSITION IT’S A PRESSURE!
My thoughts, if incorrect I'm looking forward to learning the proper definitions.
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I think this may have an effect on holding body positions (or centers). For players that I have seen with a very acute #2 angle, the head seems to dip down and back through impact... almost to back out of it to release the angles.
I think you can have too much Slicer. I'm not sure you can have too much #2, but you can sure start releasing it too late and maintain it too long.
One example that comes to mind would be #1. You don't want to take that past 90° or you lose the ability to employ extensor action. That may be a separate issue?
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I'm thinking more of the player who floats is at the top and from face on there is very little space between the shaft and the shoulder.
The player needs great hands to get it back from there, like Sergio. I would certainly be careful with a student that he can recover from a lot of accumulator lag. I think I remember someone saying that Sergio type lag is great for distance, not so great for accuracy, but Sergio is a wonderful driver of the ball... so, it must depend... I believe these "snap" type release procedures to be geared more towards very accomplished players.
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Yes sorry Slice, I took you in a direction that you didnt need to go. The Lag and Drag of the Pivot Train 6-M-1 is a different consideration than that of power generation from the Accumulators. See 6-B for more on that. The Pivot Trains release of Lag is associated with a loss of power and therefor has no Release Point. Sort of like pp#3 in that way. The Accumulators however must be released to generate Power, their Release Point is necessary and of critical importance.
I remember Sean Foley saying that 90 degrees was max for #2 angle. That anything more was counter productive. You must have a student with one heck of a float load. In terms of TGM I can only think of the Endless Belt Analogy and its implications to the Release Point. The later the more power, basically for any given hand speed.
Didnt Ben Doyle say something like "having too much Lag is like having too much Love". I can see how it could be a problem though. Its an interesting question.
I think this may have an effect on holding body positions (or centers). For players that I have seen with a very acute #2 angle, the head seems to dip down and back through impact... almost to back out of it to release the angles.
In regard to this tendency, Slice, you could look at it as being a subconscious move of the left shoulder (low point) backwards giving them more time to square it up, release. As if they need more time in the "degrees per second" equation of 6-N-0.
The other ways to increase the time would be to change the Release Point, slow down the hand speed or move the ball forward if its a driver. Or simply decrease the degrees, #2 Angle.
Interesting question. Wish I had that problem.
There can be a similar sort of tendency where guys back out of a driver to achieve a higher launch angle. They move their low point back, dynamically during the swing. For those guys if they want to stay centered, the solution is to move the ball forward in the stance.
Homer wanted a centered pivot of course but he also included the proviso "except for special purposes". I think he's talking launch angle and power maybe. Lynn would know. He did tell me once that the driver can (at times) be considered a specialty club, in that you're trying to get it as far down there as you can, with an accepted loss in accuracy. But this is for another thread maybe. You certainly wouldnt want to back out of an iron shot from the fairway with all the money on the line.
I believe these "snap" type release procedures to be geared more towards very accomplished players.
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