The true Homer Kelley Hip "slide" is very misunderstood. A major part of the problem is of his own doing: In the 6th edition, he changed the definition of Slide Hip Turn from 'Slide with no appreciable Turn' to 'Slide with delayed Turn'. Unfortunately, he did not change the illustrating photos 10-14-B #1 and #2 (hence, their obvious "no Turn" on either the Backstroke or Downstroke). He also failed to change the Shift/Turn constraints under Component #14 in the Chapter 11 summary.
Then, some 25 years later, we get the post-humously published 7th edition. Not only did it fail to correct these oversights, it also listed the Slide Hip Turn as the selected Variation of Component #14 in both Basic Stroke Patterns (12-1-0 and 12-2-0). So now, we have a new generation of TGMers who must come to grips with the radical 'Slide' photos being 'what the TGM stroke looks like'. Not to mention that the Slide Hip Turn (or even the Standard and Delayed Hip Turns) is incompatible with the also new Rotated Shoulder Turn Variation as Component #13. Which, itself, is incompatible with both the Standard Pivot (listed Component #12) and the Line Delivery Path (listed Component #23).
So, where were we now? Ah, yes:
Given the current state of published affairs, what is the correct interpretation of the Downstroke Slide Hip Turn?
Leaving your Right Hip in its Backstroke Turn, just get your weight back to your left side, then . . .
Turn!
I'd like to nominate for inclusion in the LBG Hall of Fame in the " Yoda's all time best posts" category of which there are many.
I have filed it to my personal LBG file with exclamation marks.
Regards
Ob
PS Yoda , what notations would you recommend we make to our 6th or 7th editions in this regard?
PS Yoda , what notations would you recommend we make to our 6th or 7th editions in this regard?
Here is a nice Yoda post from the LBG archives in which is he discusses the Rotated Shoulder Turn. Why would it be listed in the 7th editions Basic Strokes 12-1 and 12-2 I wonder?
More importantly I hope Yoda comes back and recommends some notations for our 6th and 7th editions in regard to the Slide Hip turn.
Here is a nice Yoda post from the LBG archives in which is he discusses the Rotated Shoulder Turn. Why would it be listed in the 7th editions Basic Strokes 12-1 and 12-2 I wonder?
More importantly I hope Yoda comes back and recommends some notations for our 6th and 7th editions in regard to the Slide Hip turn.
Maybe this should be its own thread sorry for the digression.
There are other items, but for now, just leave things as they were before Homer died:
1. Standard Hip Turn (10-14-A); not Slide (10-14-B).
2. On Plane Shoulder Turn (10-13-D); not Rotated (10-13-C).
3. Hinge Action (7-10 / Ball Behavior) in Zone Three (9-3 / Ball Control); not in Zone Two (9-2 / Power).
More for the posthumous editors:
4. Slide Hip Turn (6th, 7th editions) demands a Delayed (not Zero) Up and Down Turn constraint in 11-14-B. Further, photos 10-14-B #1 and #2 require an explanatory reference to the nonexistent Delayed Turn. Better, a reference to photos 10-14-A #1 and #2 (Standard) with an explanatory note differentiating the employed Sequencing.
There are other items, but for now, just leave things as they were before Homer died:
1. Standard Hip Turn (10-14-A); not Slide (10-14-B).
2. On Plane Shoulder Turn (10-13-D); not Rotated (10-13-C).
3. Hinge Action (7-10 / Ball Behavior) in Zone Three (9-3 / Ball Control); not in Zone Two (9-2 / Power).
More for the posthumous editors:
4. Slide Hip Turn (6th, 7th editions) demands a Delayed (not Zero) Up and Down Turn constraint in 11-14-B. Further, photos 10-14-B #1 and #2 require an explanatory reference to the nonexistent Delayed Turn. Better, a reference to photos 10-14-A #1 and #2 (Standard) with an explanatory note differentiating the employed Sequencing.
Thats great Lynn
When I went to make the notations in my 6th, there were a few already there and in what appear to be your hand! As if you knew my journey would bring me this way at some point.
Those photos that accompany the Slide Hip Turn are indeed troubling! Its far easier on the eye and brain to make the necessary notations you recommend to the Standard Hip Turn photos 10-14-A #1 and #2. I have actually crossed out photos 10-14-B, #1 and #2!
What an experience, rotating through the shot rather than sliding, so much more power and control of the shot. I never crack 110 on the driver MPH but did several times and averaged 107. I hit 7 straight 5 irons 205 yards onto the range green.
It was like the harder and faster, under control, turn left from the top of my backswing the straighter it went.
Tonight, I simply pretended I was Yoda and Kevin which was interesting.
I leaned on my left side, stretched my left arm backwards until parallel to the ground and threw my #3 pp at the back quad of the ball.
Earlier in the night I
had been simply dropping my right elbow from the top and hitting the ball pretty long and straight . You know how we 21 hcp'ers roll! LMAO
Anyway, I suddenly realized that the 20 something kid next to me was not hitting his driver further than me as was the case earlier in the evening. Despite his mightiest torque which made me wince as I watched, our shots were both disappearing at the top of the arc somewhere near the 250 marker in the dusk!
I tried my 3 and 5 wood, my 7 and 5 iron, all of which seemed to wobble as the shot through the air picking up an extra gear. Way cool.
My chips went right where I aimed them and they seemed to pop!
But, if I understand your post correctly, by turning my hips and throwing my #3 at the ball, I will have more zip?????
Could there really be such a simple way to describe and build a very good golf swing?
I am now worried about putting. My pp # 3 will be knocking the ball back to the 100 yard marker! I'm sure the book will have the solution!
Patrick
pEducated Hands are those that can feel the resistance of motion -- CLUBHEAD
lag. If the #3 pressure point is lost then "LAG" cannot be sustained. The hands
must control the pivot! Have the #3 pressure point completely replace the
CLUBHEAD, take #3 to the ball. The heart and soul of G.O.L.F. Is developing a
swing based on the hands. Teach Hinge Action without Body Motion.
Originally Posted by gmbtempe
What an experience, rotating through the shot rather than sliding, so much more power and control of the shot. I never crack 110 on the driver MPH but did several times and averaged 107. I hit 7 straight 5 irons 205 yards onto the range green.
It was like the harder and faster, under control, turn left from the top of my backswing the straighter it went.
Great day, thanks all!
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