Just read the old thread, Yoda was kind of feisty back in those days! Nice. Old time hockey.
I heard Gordie Howe on the radio a couple of days ago, his son Marty , a former All Star himself was on too.. Anyways Mr Hockey, Gordie , now into his golden years was waxing on about how things are different now and how back in his day, according to him anyways, he was "a clean" player.........To which his son could be heard to chuckle to himself some and then reply.........."ya Dad you were clean alright.........if you cut someone it was a CLEAN cut. Probably a real bleeder but a good clean cut".
"That always produces an automatic and unintentional shift from a flat first plane to a steeper plane at the top. That could lock a player into a pivot controlled hands procedure unless carefully realigned during the interval at the top. Then it can again be the Golfing Machine hands controlled pivot procedure."
I find if using a shoulder turn takeaway I have to really fire the hip turn to make consistent contact. Could this be why?
I think Mr Kelley in these comments provided much in terms of research subjects. Also, I had not previously noticed that Transfer Power is not include as one of the Chapter 8 sections.
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*Address….with the left wrist flat (not bent either way)………clubhead feel against the first joint of the right forefinger. This is not a clubshaft "feel" but the sensing of the longitudinal center of gravity (sweet spot plane of rotation).
*Backstroke…….the shoulder turn is as flat as possible and independent of the takeaway action.
*The Top……..The shoulder turn function here is to place the right shoulder precisely on the inclined plane. Therefore it is mandatory that the steeper the plane the shorter the shoulder turn …
*Start Down……so body power (the coiled left side) then can pull the butt of the clubshaft and the right shoulder toward the plane line …
*Down Stroke….A common present-day misconception is surfacing here. That is, a partial, preliminary weight shift through knee motion instead of hip motion
*Release Point….a true horizontal hinging motion (like a swinging door) ……... Only this hinging can produce the consistent power of true rhythm.
*Release Interval….The ideal #3 accumulator (the angle formed by the left arm and the clubshaft) application shown here is the true high velocity clubhead motion overtaking the left arm and is true rhythm, entirely different from and independent of pace.
*Impact……The magical right forearm is again on plane ……. The right wrist shows slightly more bend than at address. Therefore there is a deviation in left wrist flatness, though not visibly perceptible….
*Follow-Through…by reducing shoulder turn the hands can be automatically stopped at any selected point -- no more double impact putts -- by prepositioning the shoulders with the club at the desired limit point.
*Transfer Power……Swivelling is a true rotation of the hands -- not the closing motion of the flat and vertical left wrist performing the hinge action. Therefore, the right hand rolls over the top of the left wrist.
*The Finish…….Hackers have both an inadequate follow-through and an artificial finish. The finish has the rank of a station in the Star System Triad for simplified golfing but impact does not. Endowing impact with improper importance and attention has caused players to "chop" at the ball and has been producing hackers for centuries. … After the follow-through, this is the second great step out of Hackerville.
"That always produces an automatic and unintentional shift from a flat first plane to a steeper plane at the top. That could lock a player into a pivot controlled hands procedure unless carefully realigned during the interval at the top. Then it can again be the Golfing Machine hands controlled pivot procedure."
I find if using a shoulder turn takeaway I have to really fire the hip turn to make consistent contact. Could this be why?
I dont know mb, but I can elaborate a little on Mr Kelley's remarks given some earlier posts on the subject. Maybe it will help you, maybe not.
Basically, to employ a Shoulder Turn Takeaway (Pivot to Hands by definition) is to allow the Shoulders to take the Hands back in the direction that they the Shoulders are traveling. Always under the Inclined Plane (because the Shoulders dont travel the Plane). This is always a flat initial plane angle (most likely an Elbow Plane) to begin with and necessitating a Plane Shift, upwards, to get the club to Top. Homer felt Plane Shifts, while not inferior mechanically where hazardous in terms of consistency. So far the count on Plane Shifts, given a Shoulder Turn Takeaway stands at ONE.
From Top, IF the Golfer has been lucky enough to land on or locate a Turned Shoulder Plane Angle he may revert to an Alignment Golf Hands to Pivot methodology and use an On Plane Shoulder Turn in Startdown to take the Hands (which are now directing things via pressure points to brain dialogue, towards the plane line) Down Plane.
The more likely situation (especially back in the day of the sky high backswing) is that the golfer locates a Plane Angle above a Turned Shoulder Plane at Top. Which for a TGM type Hands controlled Pivot Startdown procedure would require him to drop his Hands and Plane Angle to a TSP angle prior to a Hands directed On Plane Shoulder Turn move of the Right Shoulder towards the Plane Line in Startdown. Or, the far more common, shift down to an even lower Elbow Plane for further a continuation of the Pivot to Hands procedure. Either way the Plane shift count is now Two. Double Shift.
If you are the type of player that drops back to an Elbow Plane in the downswing then Id imagine that it would feel very rotational to you after you got down there. I does for me anyways, when I goof with that Double Shift. Maybe thats what you are feeling in regards to the Hip Turn?
Homer said that Pivot to Hands and the Elbow Plane were very compatible....... but he had an obvious preference for Hands to Pivot to say nothing of a RIGHT FOREARM TAKEAWAY which would have the Hands and Shoulders traveling different paths with the Hands on the Inclined Plane and directing things, Tracing from the beginning. The Pivot enabling, complying with the Hands controlled Pivot and On Plane procedure.
OB,
Well thought out post and yes the elbow plane I feel I need a lot more pivot rotation. Thanks
The Elbow Plane approaches a truly Horizontal plane, so more merry go round than ferris wheel. Even Angled Hinging on this plane angle will approach Horizontal Hinging's identity. Absolutely nothing inferior about it mechanically but harder to ingrain, perfect according to Homer due to the plane shifts and assuming Pivot controlled Hands, direction of thrust control difficulty.
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